Friday, June 27. 2008
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Stokoe , why do you always throw in RSK ? You tried to talk to him and he doesn't care to converse with you or your bogus crew. The more you throw shots at him ,makes you look desperate. Deaf ears !!! To him you're a fly on the wall.
(editor's note: Like the retired Bishop Nikolai, RSK also promised to "reveal more". I have always encouraged RSK to do just that. I do not throw shots at him.)
#1 Anonymous on 2008-06-27 13:27
How can a man have so much "love" for the Church to attend liturgy in the altar but stand idly by while the church implodes due to his actions and silence.
...RSK continues to deny the church... keep those ears attentive to the voice of the cock in Florida....
#1.1 Anonymous on 2008-06-27 18:16
Kondratick needs to start talking. Where did the ADM funds go? It is likely that all these players know the answer to this question, including Soraich. Fester surely knows, as surely does Kucynda. Lets not forget MH; he was treasurer during that period. How much of that money is still around? Who is spending it? Perhaps someone should be promised a reward to start talking. It will only take one to sing to blow open that big secret.
#1.2 Anon. on 2008-06-27 20:55
How many good priests will be shipped under the herman reign. I bet ESPN knows the stat. I'm a firm beliver that both Metropolitans should take FULL blame for this scandal. Leaders call the shots. Quit blaming "one" , get rid of the shot caller. HERMAN must go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#1.3 Anonymous on 2008-06-28 03:48
Amen - to your last statement Mark. Let's put it all on the table.
Well, I guess if you "need" to be in "exile", Australia is not a bad place.
Wouldn't we all like to be fired from our jobs and relegated to such a "fate"?
When will this end? Will we ever know the facts? Just tell the truth. Say it once, be done with it, resign and let's move on!
#2 Anonymous on 2008-06-27 14:07
Why should RSK give details? He's out of the OCA. Even if he did disclose his info, then you'll rip apart the details one by one as you began to do so here to Nikolai. RSK, my advice to you: disclose nothing and let the OCA eat itself up. Right now they're all gnawing on the little bit of meat left on the bones of the OCA!
#3 Anonymous on 2008-06-27 15:22
Ah contrare! RSK is not out of the OCA. Someone who is paid a stipend by the Venice parish and one who attends liturgy in the altar and now they want us to believe that he's not in the OCA. Oh, those who play fast and loose with the truth... makes us think if it was RSK himself who wrote THAT item! Would be true to form!
#3.1 Anonymous on 2008-06-27 18:19
This guy's ranting speaks against him more than anyone else and offers good reason why he should be defrocked - not merely retired. Interesting that he fled to safety in Austrialia and his friend Irinej before slinging his garbage. If we buy the ticket, will Isidore hurry up and join them? ....
#4 anon on 2008-06-27 16:05
I can only say that each and every bishop in the Orthodox church throughout the entire world, let alone the OCA, should not be administering money without a qualified, experienced, integral, and honest CPA accounting firm watching their every step and I am very serious on this.
Each and every bungle the past several decades in the OCA seems to have been predicated upon the lack of financial know-how, the lack of financial honesty and integrity, from the bishops on down.
This is just inexusable and I have been in a parish in which the previous priest stole money and there was no accountability andit brought the parish to its knees. Now we have the OCA on its knees, too.
The priests and bishops need to pass Accounting 101 and they certainly CANNOT have the financial control and power of the past to make the Orthodox church the collosal mess it has turned into.
The righteous anger that Jesus had at the money changers was no different.
We are a laughing stock to any serious witness to Christ when we CAN'T get past the simple money issues. The OCA has been mentally, spiritually, and psychologically challenged to know how to balance its books.
I am outraged that it takes story after story after story to try to figure out how apparently deaf and dumb the OCA has been to running a church under honest, integral financial integrity.
Any one experienced and certified person in the entire world of accounting should be able to open the books of any church, any diocese, any central church and let the common lay person know if there are any irregularites.
I am really tempted to say to forget the three year theology program folks at any of the seminaries. Train a student to be honest with money and the books, and what an honest and blanced checkbook is, and you will have your good priest. I don't know if my temptation to this end is that far off base. Jesus threw out the money changers; they did not know what the Father's business was really about. I cannot see how +Herman's retirement is not just inevitable.
But more than that I feel the entire Orthodox church is at risk with what seems to be the money games it plays. It has been already noted that many of these jurisdictions in America just seem to want to be on the American payroll. I really don't see how SCOBA is looking one iota at really building the Orthodox church in America; it really seems that they just want to be on an American payroll. I don't think I am so far off base because I feel we have about one of the sorriest jurisdictional messes in America that the Orthodox church has ever tolerated and put up with.
The Orthodox church is drowning in a sea of mediocrity.
What true excellence can any one really note with sooooooo many jurisdictions in this one land of America? It appears this site has pointed out that other jurisdictions have had their difficulties. The finances are only, to me, the most obnoxious and most horrible when bishops and jurisdictions couldn't have set up the proper financial checks and balances decades ago.
But there are other disturbing signs of mediocrity, such as SCOBA. How are they really trying to build unity other than staying financial afloat to maintain their own little piece of the jurisdictional pie?
Why do I have to hear the Greek, or Serbian, or Arab, or Slavonic, or Russion language in an Orthodox church in a country I grew up in and learned English in? In my years of formal schooling I wasn't taught in Spanish or French or German. Can't I just hear English in my country? Is that so bad? Is that so novel? Why is there just so much resistance to becoming a BETTER Orthodox church?
Jesus spit out the luke warm water. I am not sure our SCOBA Orthodox witness, or any of our jurisdictional witness, with our recent OCA scandal, has been much different.
God Help the Orthodox church (because our human effort just seems to be bumping along at it).
#5 Patty Schellbach on 2008-06-27 17:53
My husband has served over 40 years on parishes. There wasn't one that he had anything to do with the money. The only thing he did was sign his paychecks. I know many clergy who did and are stilling doing the same. The priest needs to take care of the spiritual welfare of the parish not the financial.
#5.1 ANON on 2008-06-28 10:39
"Why do I have to hear the Greek, or Serbian, or Arab, or Slavonic, or Russion language in an Orthodox church in a country I grew up in and learned English in? In my years of formal schooling I wasn't taught in Spanish or French or German. Can't I just hear English in my country? Is that so bad? Is that so novel? Why is there just so much resistance to becoming a BETTER Orthodox church?"
I LOVE this paragraph! It is so true! We are English speaking Americans. Can we have an English speaking American Orthodox Church? I think that's pretty much what was intended with the OCA. Isn't it sad that we have not been eager to bring our own "flavor" and "uniqueness" to the Church. How does anyone think the Church developed in other countries and ethnic backgrounds? We are quickly throwing away such a great opportunity. I think that's what Nikolai couldn't get. Alaskians wanted to be Alaskian Orthodox and not Russian Orthodox and that's what the Synod doesn't get. Americans want an American Orthodox Church and that means a greater participation in managing it. That's just who we are! We don't like turning our money over without a return on it. You want our money? We want to have input and influence in shaping our Church in America. Anyone born and raised in the USA should understand that. Thanks, Patty!
#5.2 anon on 2008-06-28 10:48
At a more fundamental level, the problems of the OCA involve the sin of pride, the lack of humility. That the lack of humility is most apparent in our hierarchs, who are supposedly mature monks, is supremely ironic.
The hierarchs apparently thought that they knew enough of the principles and techniques of financial management and accounting, or could learn quickly enough, to discharge their responsibilities adequately. It now appears that they lacked, and continue to lack, sufficient understanding of those administrative subjects, as well the most basic principles of the Christian faith. Knowledge of the former could be acquired in short order with intense study, but what does the Church do with archpastors, the entire episcopate, who either do not truly believe the basic principles of our faith or whose behavior runs counter to those basic principles?
The hierarchs apparently thought, and led the faithful to believe, that the OCA had adequate resources -- hierarchs, clergy, monastics, or money -- to meet the requirements for an autocephalous church. They apparently thought that form was more important than substance, that they could "fake it until they make it"; but, the OCA has yet to "make it". The reality is that the OCA apparently did not, and does not, have adequate, available resources to support its status as an autocephalous church. Perhaps the OCA at one time had the resources appropriate for an autonomous church, but even that might have been too much of stretch.
#5.3 Mark C. Phinney on 2008-06-29 03:23
I am quite surprised by Patty Schellbach’s view that the Orthodox Chruch is “drowning in a sea of mediocrity”. Perhaps, we have different frames of reference. Those of us who grew up in the 1060’s can remember a time when the use of English, any English, in the Liturgy was unusual and considered suspect. There were priests who actually thought that the prayer would only ‘work’ if they were recited in Greek or Slavonic! Today, over 95 % of OCA and Antiochian parishes serve exclusively in English. Two thirds of Greek parishes serve substantially, if not primarily, in English.
Most of us only hear the “foreign” languages on Pascha when the Gospel is read in many languages, or when, according to Antiochian practice, the three fold “Lord have mercy” of the Augmented Litany is sung in a different language at each petitition. Of course, these customs are meant to be signs of inclusion, not exclusion. Here in the “fly-over states”, even the ROCOR parishes are exclusively Anglophonic. So, what’s the beef ?
Ms Schellbach sees only “mediocrity”, where I see gradual progress from hard work on many fronts, mostly by the un-sung heroes of the faith.
A few for instances:
When I landed in Kansas City in 1972, Holy Trinity parish (OCA) had less than 25 members, mostly elderly immigrants in their 70’s and 80’s. Today that parish is thriving. When I last visited for Pascha in 2007, there were over 400 present for the Resurrection Liturgy.
All the Orthodox parishes in Kansas City came together nearly 40 years ago to start a Pan-Orthodox Summer camp. As a result, two entire generations of young people have grown up together and made friends across the jurisdictional divide.
Our Wichita diocese of the Antiochian Archdiocese, has grown from 9 parishes to over 50 parishes and missions. The Bishop Basil Mission fund supports a number of mission communities, including our own St James Mission in Stillwater, OK. St Antony’s Antiochian Orthodox Church, in Tulsa, a small, inner city parish, has produced 12 priests and one bishop over the past three decades.
Many out here look back to a retreat by Fr Alexander Schmemman in November 1978, as the start of the Wichita “revival”, a turning point in their spiritual lives, and a turning point for the church here in the plain states. A weekend of lectures 30 years ago is still producing fruit today. For me the, the point of real attachment to the faith came earlier, because of an elderly priest, Fr. Ivan Karateew, who was serving at Sts. Peter and Paul church (OCA) in Phoenix, Arizona. To look at Fr John, was to feel the love of Christ. Once, he told my parents,” There is no sin so big God cannot forgive it”. I’ve never forgotten that. There are so many others, whose simple faith and love have changed lives, mine and many others. I wonder how Ms Schellbach can see nothing but “mediocrity”
The Orthodox Church has always struggled and suffered here in this land, as it has in every other land before. I refuse to believe that the legacy of St Herman, St Innocent, St Raphael, the legacy of Metropolitan Leonty, Frs Schmemann and Meyendorff amounts to a mediocrity or a failure. My Grandma used to say “ This, too, shall pass.” And this crisis will pass, in time. The OCA will survive. Orthodox unity will come .The real question is: “when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth? ”
My prayers and best wishes to you all.
#5.4 Francis Frost on 2008-06-29 18:48
I appreciate your optimism and my own passion about the church really comes from how much I care about its well being.
Your one thought summed up my one basic point:
"The Orthodox Church has always struggled and suffered here in this land, as it has in every other land before."
I just think some of our OCA members have made it waaaaay toooo hard on all of us when we have enough challenges to contend with.
Having messed up books for years came from folks who were already supposed faithful Orthodox leaders.
#5.4.1 Patty Schellbach on 2008-06-30 18:26
Matushka, Its seems that you have all but lost faith in the Church that St.Tikhon, St. Herman, St. Innocent gaves their lives for. According to many of the historians who post here, it would seem that they lived in worse times than we do, with "despotic emperors" and "money mongering monasteries", among other things. Yet, they saw beyond that. More precisely, they lived in reality that exists beyond the sins of the times; they lived in the fullness of the Church.
I disagree with your satement: the Orthodox Church is drowing in a sea of mediocrity. No, the Orthodox Church is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
Elder Porphyrios once said that the Church is eternal. I was first taken aback by his bold statement, but what he meant was that the community of love that we call the Church, existed even before Pentecost, or even before the creation of the world. This communion of love has existed eternally in the Three Persons of the Holy Trinity. All of human history, is basically the history of the all holy Trinity bringing men and women into this communion of love, a.k.a the Church. The Trinity accomplished this most fully in Christ, who unites us to himself through faith AND by imparting to us his Holy Body.
So, is this the Church, that is drowning in a sea of mediocrity? No. Rather, it is individuals who have at one point or another started out on that path that leads to Church. Somewhere along the way, they , we have lost our way, and thus remain, effectively outside the Church. Thus, in my opinion, all these scandels, fights, arguments, despondency, proceed not from being apart of the Orthodox Church, but from refusing to actually enter into the fullness of the Church.
We are told constantly by theologians that our original purpose as humans was to reach the likeness of God. We were given His image, but it was our job to obey and love him, and thus become like him. That we sin is not the result of having reached the likeness, but precisely the effects of remaining outside of that likeness.
Maybe the same paradime exists for communites, churches, parishes, etc. We have been given the tools (the image) so that we collectively may enter into that Communion of Love. We are not there yet. Our job collectively is to love each other, strive together and bear each others' burdens so that we all may become LIKE that original Communion of Love, and thus enter fully into that pre-eternal Communion of Love, which the Elder called the Church. The sins that we see in our communites and churches are not because we have actually entered fully into The Church, but precisely because we remain outside of it; because we have yet to become LIKE the Trinity.
So, it is not The Orthodox Church that is drowning in the sea of mediocrity, rather, it is we, those of us who have lost our way and remain outside the walls of The Church, though we may dilude ourselves into thinking we are exemplary members of it.
May the Lord grant us the strength to enter fully into His Church.
#5.5 Bautista Cabrera on 2008-06-30 11:19
I appreciate your comments. I love the Orthodox faith and feel as you and Francis, that it is the fullness of the faith.
It is some of the people, not the faith itself, that are drowning in the sea of mediocrity.
And this comment is not really about the faith, but with the lack of wise administrative practices that finally caught up with the OCA.
Newer, wiser, administrative practices are being formed and this is good.
But we must be on guard about mediocrity in terms of how people manage the church. For it seems to me that is exactly where much of the past administration put the OCA: into a sea of mediocrity.
There is righteous suffering, and there is dumb suffering from the hands of those who could not lift the OCA higher than their own self interests.
We pay are still paying the price for that mediocity.
But, with you and Francis, I am really an optimist, but one who cares about getting our administration in the best place it can be: out of complacency and mediocrity.
#5.5.1 Anonymous on 2008-06-30 18:32
All the garbage that exists and has existed among people who have gone by the name of Christian is nothing more than a ripple in the vast sea of Holiness that is the Church. If as St. Paul tells us, that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. That includes scandels, bad administrators, bishops, laity, priests, etc. Conversely nothing can hinder us from doing the work of the Church, the work of making Christ's Body present everywhere. We cannot use all that "stuff" as an excuse for inactivity or for becoming distracted or even for our lack of faith.
#184.108.40.206 Bautista Cabrera on 2008-07-02 07:01
Peace be with you ex Bishop Nicolai and May Our Lord Jesus Christ Have Mercy on you. The cost fir your journey to move from Alaska to Australia must've costed a bit of money. I pray you find happiness there and Isidore follows you down under. As for your attacks on all us in Alaska, please keep them to yourself. You left us after you had said during Lent that you would fight to stay. You are now gone and your memory will fade fast. Please do not continue to be a bitter pill for us to reguritate over and over again. Just go away.
#6 Alexie on 2008-06-27 20:06
Mr Stokoe, let me correct you on your add-in. Fr Bob has NEVER said he was going to "reveal" more. I'll go out on a limb here, I do believe he never told YOU that. Which makes it nothing more than heresay.
Although, I'm not a fan of anonymous folks. I would agree with the individual in #3. I hope he never says a word. He owes you and everyone else nothing.
And contrary to your claim, you still throw shots at him any chance you get. Keep fighting YOUR fight Mr Stokoe, but leave him out of it. He's gone and not coming back, which is what you wanted from the outset.
(Editor's note: No, Mike, it is not hearsay. Mr. Kondratick and his lawyer(s) have, on multiple ocassions, in writing, for example to the Synod before his trial, offered/ threatened to " tell all".I have always encouraged him to do so. Many of those letters have been published on this site, and are still available under the "Latest News" section. Secondly, the goal of this site was to encourage the Church and people in the Church to be more transparent, to tell the truth, to take responsibility for their actions,and to be accountable for them. While Mr. Kondratick has had been held accountable for his actions, he has never, alas, been transparent, told the whole truth, or taken responsibility for them. That is not hearsay either - but sad fact.)
#7 Michael Livosky on 2008-06-27 20:35
To the contrary, I think at last count he owes us $137,000 and there's another million that's unaccounted for.
Truth is that if RSK was ANY man of God, ANY MAN of God, he'd come to the rescue of the Church. Even a man who stabbed it in the back can call for an ambulance.
Your defense of him is very noble and he probably appreciates the loyalty, but there's no amount of defense that is going to turn into favorable opinion of a man who was clearly at the center of this and who's faith in God would rather see the Church implode so as not to hurt himself. He's a sad state of a man, indeed.
#7.1 Anonymous on 2008-06-28 15:04
Michael, Michael. Do the math. Something over $6,000,000 passed through Kondratick's control and is unaccounted for, I believe. How can you possibly defend him or expect others to say, "Oh, never mind"? The OCA must stop this false piety. Poor stewardship is not God's will. Don't fall prey to this sin of complacency.
#7.2 Anon. on 2008-07-02 20:13
Amazing when reading + Nicolai there are similarities to how + Tikhon (retired) writes. Very strange.
This is all moot. + Nicolai is gone. Now it's time for + Herman to be gone and all of these issues play out in the courts.
It's time for a new Metropolitan and let's move forward. + Seraphim get ready!
#8 Anonymous on 2008-06-28 07:02
Sorry Buddy, you are mistaken if you think the Metropolitan will step down, First of all the only ones who can make that happen is the Holy Synod. There is no one on the current Holy Synod that will be able to handle this pressure. You say that +Seraphim should get ready, well if he was elected at the previous primatial election he would have surrendered long ago. If you dont think for one second that the Holy Spirit had something to do with the election, you should really go to church more often. Who else did you have in mind for Met. +ABD is being controlled like a puppet in Dallas which is tragic in itself, +ABN is on his way out, even though i dont think he wants to, +ABJ has his countdown till retirement ticking down, +BN is certainly not ready for a white hat, neither is +BT or +BB so i think you better start thinking about another strategy.
#8.1 Hopeful in Hartford on 2008-06-30 16:14
The only place to speak now is in court - a level playing field where Herman does not control the outcome. Why inflict more pain? The best revenge is success - go and live a successful life. It is apparent that many feel good about putting others down when they are not there to defend themselves - a coward - just like those people who do not sign their names. RSK has more love in his heart than anyone I know - let him go. He is not pulling anyone down. In fact he is in spite of all the damnation he maintains his life in his own way.
If anyone has any reason to know about funds - why now ask all of the accountants and comptroller who have been accountable for that job all along. As far as I know, RSK was never the lone signature on any account - as those who have fiduciary responsibility - the treasurer, comptroller, accountants and auditors who have been well paid to do that job.
#9 MP on 2008-06-28 10:03
MP said: "It is apparent that many feel good about putting others down when they are not there to defend themselves - a coward - just like those people who do not sign their names."
And your name is???
#9.1 Dimitri on 2008-06-28 13:22
There's a difference between a man who has love for God and His Church and a man who has love for himself so as not to get himself into any more trouble. We are not putting RSK down, we're demanding answers from a man who ran the Church for 18 years, has been implicated in all the serious malfeasance that has gone on. RSK can have all this go away real easily by just telling what he knows. Is it REALLY THAT bad that he's going to go away a long time. Surely if he's as good a man as you say he has nothing to worry about because he could never have done all the things that people accuse him of. His silence provides his own conviction.
RSK may have never been the lone signature, but he WAS a signature and in that case he knows, as the saying goes, where the bodies are buried. He has not shown his love for God and His Church by keeping this information close the vest so as not to criminally incriminate himself.
He should be highly motivated to clear his "good" name!
#9.2 Anonymous on 2008-06-28 15:12
Why not ask those who were paid to take care of the funds.
This has gotten very old. Blame the person who has been banished. The real irony is Herman is your leader. He has changed computer systems = how many times? Paid for a report that has never been published. Dismantled an investigative committee and put another together - at whose expense? It's time to put the blame where it really lies - with the people who continue to support this leader who continues to do exactly what he pleases following no rules, no canons and definately no "best practices".
So my dear good christian - be of good cheer - your leader Herman is a lifer!
#9.2.1 MP on 2008-06-29 17:27
I have one comment to make on Bishop Nikolai's tirade:
#10 herman on 2008-06-29 02:54
13 comments (so far), of which 10 are anonymous. Sad.
#11 Michael Strelka on 2008-06-29 04:21
Some people have been candid and said they did not want to give their name because they did not want to suffer. Some said they did not want to bring suffering upon others. They believe that they are speaking the truth in love but do not want the negative consequences that may result from their identities being known.
I would like to say that I am completely sympathetic. I can be pretty reluctant in the face of suffering.
Jesus Christ suffered at the hands of the religious leaders of His day. He said His followers would also suffer. Then His followers rejoiced when they were able to suffer for Christ. I'm concerned that 10 out of 13 comments posted above were anonymous. I'm wondering if we are all afraid to follow Christ by speaking the truth and then suffer for it? Where is the striving for deification?
I'll be bold and say that it is apparent that Metropolitan Herman is part of the problem with the OCA. If he was a man of honor, he would have resigned long ago. But the reluctance of many of the other hierarchs in the OCA to speak out is also part of the problem. I just don't get it. They cannot ALL be bad, can they? I'm at a loss.
Protodeacon Brad Matthews
#11.1 Protodeacon Brad Matthews on 2008-06-30 14:28
I have been on the Internet almost since its dawn and I have come to appreciate a very basic premise: people may "sign" anonymous for a multitude of reasons more often then not for reasons other then what we may think. For example a lot of people still think if they put "anon" they won't be discovered using the company computer. Another reason, and the reason why I don't do it, is that people don't like putting "personal" info out there online. There are a lot of softwares out there that do tracking and then flood you with email. And email can, as we all know, carry viruses. Some people just don't want potential family, friends, fellow parishioners, coworkers, etc to see their names online. So don't presume the worst when people don't sign their names.
#11.2 anon on 2008-07-01 16:41
Mark says that +Nikolai's memo raises some questions. Before I read the memo, I had some questions.
If Fr. Isadore had to distribute +Nilolai's memo, due to erratic internet access at the location where +Nikolai is enjoying his exile, then where the heck is Fr. Isadore? I thought he had also gone on to Australia? Are the two not in hiding, er, in exile, at the same location? If +Nikolai cannot send an email to the Synod himself, how can he send one to Fr. Isadore to send to the Synod? And why did Patriarch Bartholomew and Patriarch Alexy not get on the recipient list, along with the clergy and laity of Alaska?
I am also wondering just exactly what Bp. Benjamin said about the finances in Alaska, and when did he say it? Reading the article about +Nikolai's memo defending his financial activity in Alaska, was the first I had ever heard that +Benjamin had mentioned a deficit. And when did +Benjamin first say that such a deficit existed in Alaska? If it was Thursday, how the heck did +Nikolai, with his erratic internet service, find out so fast, and put together his reply memo, and get it out to the world the next day? Is +Nikolai really where we think he is, or is this charade an indication he is somewhere else, hiding behind Fr. Isadore as his messenger? Or maybe he is not the author of this memo?
My husband says I am nit-picking, but as an old retired researcher, I can't help digging for details. Something is not quite right here? Ditto for summoning Fr. Zacchaeus to LA from Moscow, unless they want to pat him down for recording equipment, or use the meeting with the SIC2 as cover, why not use a teleconference, especially in this time of shortages, of money in the OCA and fuel in the world? We want answers and all we get is more questions! Cate
#12 cate on 2008-06-29 19:31
Hello, all. Call me naive, but I would like to offer a different perspective (and please here me out). What if ("if") RSK doesn't know what happened to the money? What "if" MT and MH and the Synod directed him to give the money that he gave to Russia? (Now - the wedding for his child at Syosset, credit cards, house, etc. - different story) But, there is still cash floating around in Syosset. MT stills has spending cash. It's amazing to me that at the very least - a credible CPA firm did not just seize the accounts at the request of the Synod. That's why I think everyone is guilty. They were caught, and three years later they still do not know what to do! Shameful!
Another take - I'm starting to feel empathy towards exiled +BN. Perhaps MH and others were trying to set him up. Like RSK, he was a player who went rogue, but the way they came after him in terms of not following proper procedures, etc. it makes me wonder.
I don't know what has or hasn't happened. But, the Church is spinning its wheels. And, if the bishops truly cared, they would have fixed it all on their own, rather than by committee. Sad!
#13 Anonymous on 2008-06-30 13:10
After reading all this all I can say is:
Lord have mercy on the OCA and on all of us.
So basically NIKOLAI says "it's not my fault, everyone else is wrong but me."
Just like my narcissistic dad. Same noise, same stink.
Why hasn't Isidore been defrocked yet?
#15 Alex on 2008-07-07 07:20
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