Thursday, August 20. 2009Questions For the NY-NJ Episcopal Candidates
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#1
Orson
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2009-08-20 11:18
I am surprised that Mark things people should be enfranchised who do not take part in the financial life of the Diocese and the Church?
(Editor's note: I am not a big fan of monetary determinates for membership; and even less for parishes which are clearly members. I don't remember Jesus Christ asking the disciples if they had paid their dues before the Last Supper; nor telling the crowds on the Mount they could only listen and eat the fish and loaves if they "had taken part in the financial life of their synagogues". That being said, if one has rules one should ask why they are being protested when they are, and address the concern. That being said, if one still decides to enforce them, should one label them " accomplices" as if it were criminal activity? )
#2
Anonymous
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2009-08-20 12:04
With regard to the Editor's note, let's get a little real here. Your are correct in a sense, but Jesus and those at that time didn't have such operating obligations such as the monthly electric bill, water bill, priest's salary & benefits, maintenance expenses of the church & property, paying assessments to the central church, and etc. As one knows, support for the local and central church comes from those who actually 'financially support' the church. I see plenty of pious parishioners each Sunday who may drop a dollar into the collection plate and think that they are supporting God's church, but who also draw and sometimes demand the church benefits associated. Being the Treasurer of a church, I am privileged and cursed of being able to see whom does 'the talking' and whom really supports the church with their checkbooks, and they are not necessarily one in the same. There are those within the church's setting who are there for the ongoing 'free ride'. So the concept of 'membership has privileges' doesn't seem to set well with the editor. The reality is folks such as myself and others are subsidizing all those 'freebies' for the others. If they are truly worthy and in need of subsidy in our church, I have no problem. But I do have a bit of an issue when I know they are not doing their fair share, when they most certainly could, but just chose not to, because they know there is no downside or holding back of benefits to them because we will not turn anyone away. A bit of a Catch-22 position that we put ourselves into, isn't it.
#2.1
DHH
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2009-08-21 15:03
DHH,
Isn't the question as to who within a parish financially supports the church a red herring? The only scriptural criteria for who appropriately supports the church is whether or not a particular person sacrifices to support the church. I know that in my case, my financial support while substantial is not sacrificial giving. The questions involving the timely payment of assessments by parishes within the Diocese of NY and NJ include: a. how many parishes are not current on the monthly payment of their assessments? b. how many of those are withholding their assessments as a protest of the (mis)handling of the various recent OCA scandals? c. will all parishes not current on the payment of their assessments be treated the same, i.e., not allowed representation at the special assembly? If not, why not? A former member of the Diocese of Washington and New York, now a member of the Diocese of Washington.
#2.1.1
Mark C. Phinney
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2009-08-24 03:30
I totally agree that these questions should be asked of all candidates for the Office of Bishop of New York and New Jersey.
And there are several important questions that His Beatitude Metropolitan Jonah should be asked as well. 1. Considering the part that Fr. David Brum played in the recent scandal in Syosset, why is he being considered as an episcopal candidate for any diocese? 2. Why doesn't the Holy Synod allow the members of the body of the church, the Laos (The Clergy and Faithful) of the Diocese of New York and New Jersey to elect their next Bishop as their brethren in the Diocese of Pittsburgh and Western Pennsylvania did? 3. Why weren't some of the Priest Monks from St. Tikhon's (Frs. Nicodemus and Juvenaly) included as candidates for these positions? And finally, if the process was totally honest and transparent, then why was the rambling apology necessary? It seems that more questions are being raised by the unacceptable answers given than were raised in planning the process in the first place. Although I am neither a member of the Diocese of Pittsburgh and Western Pennsylvania, nor the Diocese of New York and New Jersey, I believe that the faithful in each, and indeed in all diocese of the O.C.A. should be allowed to choose their own bishop, and then rejoice when his is consecrated to be their Archpastor. Your Beatitude, Your Eminences the Most Reverend Archbishops, and Your Graces the Right Reverend Bishops of the Holy Synod, Let the new day that began at our recent All America Council truly be a new day in the life of the church. If you truly believe in conciliarity at all levels of the church, then allow the body of Christ to operate in precisely that manner. Then, every time we Sing "Many Years O Master," it will be because we truly mean it.
#3
Mark Sudia
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2009-08-20 13:29
Great point Mark.
I would like to ask one question of the Search Committee. Although you have all worked apparently very hard in reaching your decision of the aforementioned 3 candidates for Bishop of our Diocese, I would like to know WHY you feel these specific candidates are suitable for this particular Diocese? Please give us more reason than, well, these were the best out of the bunch. Thank you. Michael
#3.1
Michael Geeza
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2009-08-22 10:24
From ocanews editorial:Since the clergy and lay delegates will not have an occasion to ask questions of the three nominees chosen for them - either before or during the nomination process - or even at the Assembly at which the election is scheduled to take place
That may be the most stupid thing the boys at Syosset have done to date. I mean, what's the big deal? LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK! (Editor's note: This was not Syosset's decision. This was Diocesan Administration's decision.)
#4
no name
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2009-08-20 13:35
Here is my question as a resident of the diocese.
Have any of you ever committed acts of sexual misconduct or molestation? Do you decry such acts? And can you tell us in no uncertain terms how such acts will be punished by you against clergy that have?
#5
no name
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2009-08-20 13:40
Thank you Mark. Until the tough questions are addressed and resolved, I fear that those who have laid low and attempted to wait out the circumstances from the Kondratick regime, without repentance, will work to reassert themselves now that the dust has settled. These enablers of the OCA dysfunction need to repent, or go. They cannot be allowed to reassert themselves.
#6
Anon.
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2009-08-20 18:05
Recent events showed that the Church can not exist within an advanced and sophisticated democratic society without adhearing to the culture and norms of such. Do you think it is necessary and/or benefitial for the Church to atleast partialy stay abreast of the current issues in the secular society? E.g. business, technology, science, etc. Why doesn't the Church create a research department, and/or statistical department, to at least have an idea of what the church body is comprisded of, the exact member count, etc. Moreover, parishes are struggling to pay healthcare insurance, well, maybe those bellys that priests like to lay their crosses on need to go? Obesity is the single most important cause for the high insurance premiums. The bottom line is this is 2009, and the administrative (not necesserily theological) side of the church needs to live in today's world..Does the candidate bishop agree? Thank you.
#7
NY City resident
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2009-08-21 07:53
"Why doesn't the Church create a research department, and/or statistical department, to at least have an idea of what the church body is comprisded of, the exact member count, etc."
Simple answer, it costs money and such numbers are easily manipulated.
#7.1
Anonymous
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2009-08-21 19:21
For Fr. Dahulich - I'd like to know how this - since he was Dean of St. Tikhon's, how could he NOT know the place was being sold out from under everyone's noses. That's the job of the dean, among other things. He could not possibly have not know what was going on, and if he did, why was it not brought to light and stopped.
#8
Anonymous
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2009-08-21 08:26
If I am not mistaken, the financial problems are with St. Tikhon monastery, not the seminary. They are separate organizations.
#8.1
indignus convoco
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2009-08-22 05:05
Separate organizations on the same soil! If one is mortgaged to the hilt, so it is other by default. The Dean should be informed what's going on within the monastery if it impacts the seminary.
#8.1.1
Anonymous
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2009-08-25 05:55
If Orthodox Theological education is one of the criteria for candidates, which Orthodox Seminary did Father Brum graduate or attend?
His biography said he was going to attend one, but got assigned to a parish. This was asked by a priest in another comment area, but never got answered.
#9
Anonymous
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2009-08-21 09:16
I find this to be an excellent editorial. It is important to have confidence and trust in our leaders. Failing to understand these questions really means we don't care.
Because it isn't my diocese, I dont care, but I do care enough to voice my support for such dialogue. ..my two cents..
#10
Daniel E. Fall
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2009-08-21 10:03
At least a year before Met. Herman "retired", I was talking with a someone whose opinion I trust in the STOTS area. They said at the time that they thought Fr. Michael Dahulich would make a good Bishop. They also said that as long as Met. Herman was "in office", that would "not be allowed to happen" because Fr. Michael had spoke honestly and would not "play ball" as required. Regardless of what happens in NY/NJ, I think we are blessed to have such a priest of his character and faithfullness serving the church.
#11
Daria
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2009-08-21 10:30
People have wanted Fr. Michael to be a bishop since before he left ACROD to join the OCA. "Father Michael would make an amazing bishop" has been said in passing by just about everyone I know at Seminary for years. I've heard it 1000 times at least. However the election is taking place, I doubt that the People of your diocese could pick a better man for the job. If Father Michael is chosen as your bishop, then the system, however much people seem to be upset about it, worked.
#11.1
Anonymous
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2009-08-22 03:23
I have also been "at Seminary" with Fr. Michael, and I beg to differ. Yes, Fr. Michael has a definite core of supporters amongst his former students, especially those from his early years at St. Tikhon's. But I can also think of a great many students from more recent years who could suggest some very good reasons why Fr Michael should not be a bishop, at least at the present time. Unfortunately, after being trained in that repressive environment and having learned to fear Fr. Michael's own bad temper, those voices are very unlikely to speak up, at least by name.
Certainly, Fr Dahulich is a gifted preacher, a competent teacher and an extremely hard worker. He has a good knowledge of Scripture, he is missionary-minded, and his sense of Orthodoxy is a very far cry from the shallow smells-and-bells variety which has seemed to characterize some of our bishops of recent past. He has the required Orthodox seminary degree as well as a Phd. He also has a far wider professional experience than the other two candidates can claim, including parish, chancery, and seminary work. Based on hard up-front evidence, I also believe that, contrary to the suggestions of some posters here (who do not seem to know him), regardless of what may have happened with the finances of St Tikhon's Seminary, Fr Michael is very much above board when it comes to money. He is personally very generous towards students with his own personal funds, and he lives a very simple lifestyle. Fr Michael himself was not in charge of the seminary finances anyway - Herman and Alexei Klimetchev were. This being said, there are other reasons why Fr Michael might not be the best episcopal choice - reasons having mainly to do with interpersonal skills and emotional character. The experience of many will tell you that Fr Michael tends to be a very poor listener. He can tend to be despotic about following his own ideas vis-a-vis those of colleagues. He also does not tolerate disagreement well. He frequently seems to think he knows what others are saying before he allows them to finish speaking, and very often perceives opposition where there is none. Though certainly no clone of Herman, Fr Michael never admitted that Herman did anything wrong, even after the SIC report came out, and he has sometimes been known to speak of Herman as some kind of hero. Throughout the controversy in the OCA, he frequently blamed this website ("The Bad News According to Mark.") He certainly seems to share Herman's philosophy of sweeping the dirt under the carpet when it comes to problems in the Church. This extended even to his gentle silencing of a student's complaint of sexual harassment received from a professor-priest with a history of such behavior. While this priest is now no longer teaching on the faculty of St Tikhon's, he is still serving an EPA diocesan parish, and under a chancellor who knows full well the details of his predatory history. To top it off, Fr Michael has a very explosive temper, which has sometimes led him into very hurtful and demeaning harangues directed at colleagues, students and their wives. (With reference to the above post, for what it's worth, it should also be noted that Fr Michael himself was among those "people" who "have wanted Fr. Michael to be a bishop since before he left ACROD to join the OCA.") All of this may not be of ultimate concern, and may be outweighed by his real and notable gifts, which no doubt could go towards the making of a very fine bishop. Certainly none of this is beyond correction and repair. However, what concerns me is the fact that Fr Michael seems to be completely unwilling, almost on principle it seems, to ever offer an apology when he has hurt those around him. This has been remarked upon by many. Ask the numerous colleagues and seminarians who have been on the other end of his wrath and they will tell you. He simply cannot seem to admit that he might ever be wrong, or that he is responsible for serious hurt. My conclusion: he has made himself completely resistant to ever showing personal vulnerability. This may be why he tends to speak to people in personal conversations with eyes closed, and sometimes even with his back turned. It is sad fact that no one around him (I include myself) has had the guts to confront him with these issues. Yes, Fr Michael has great gifts and there is much to admire in his dedication and service. They should certainly not be discounted. However, if I were on the selection committee for the diocese of NY-NJ, I would at least want to pose the following discerning question: “In the event that you lose your temper, or make a mistake in judgment which causes harm or pain to someone amongst the clergy and laity whom have been called and chosen to care for and lead, will you be able and willing to admit your wrong openly and directly and to ask for forgiveness?"
#11.1.1
Tikhonite
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2009-08-23 19:47
Additionally, the question should be posed to the Search Committee as to why Fr. Brum was even considered given the SIC statement. What does Fr. Brum know about whom that his name keeps reappearing for open bishoprics?
Sic semper tyrannis, Nemo
#12
Nemo
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2009-08-21 11:19
Mr. Nemo, you raised my interest in the statement you made with regard to Fr. Brum and "given the SIC statement". Have you read the 100 plus pages contained in the SIC report? Apparently, you have not. If you read the report, you will see that Fr. Brum's mention in the report is actually very nil. He doesn't seem to be mentioned in any summary conclusions or recommendations. The only places that I could personally find Fr. Brum mentioned, in any context, is on page 24. Basically, Fr. Brum is being judged guilty by association, as it looks to me. The association it seems was that he was hired and was an employee to those who are guilty in my book. As an employee, he was probably directed to do a few things - just as anyone would probably do if directed by their boss and/or superiors. The only other place that I could find to where Fr. Brum was remotely mentioned again was in Appendix D of the SIC Report. Out of the 'hundreds' of withdrawals done over a five year period, it looks to me that Fr. Brum only did a total of 'two' out of all of them, unless you can find more. And the amounts were really staggering, if one thinks that a $1,000 withdrawal in 07/2001 and then again for $2,500 in 10/2004 are staggering amounts. I personally do not. And too, he was probably directed to turn those funds over to his boss. The point that I would like to make is that before one contributes to slamming someone, make sure you are speaking from a position of being 'knowledgeable' and having done your own first hand research. If I've missed something in the SIC Report that has more 'beef' to it with regard to Fr. Brum, than what I've pointed out, please share where that information is in the Report. Otherwise, it looks to me that Fr. Brum got caught between the rock and the hard place through no real fault of his own, except by association. As an old hamburger marketing ad once said, "Where's The Beef", instead of what looks to be just conjecture here?
(Editor's note: The following is not conjecture. Eric Wheeler was fired: Brum stayed. Paul Hunchak left; Brum stayed. RSK was fired: Brum left. Why? Why protest and leave when the perp was fired, but not when the whistle-blowers were? Why cash any checks? In your world, nothing can be "proven" by those circumstances. Many others see a cow. Feel free to disagree.)
#12.1
DHH
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2009-08-21 21:23
Im confused Mark, wasn't Father Brum employed at the chancery after Mr. Hunchak and Protodeacon Eric left? How could he quit in protest if he was not yet working there?
(editor's note: Your remember incorrectly. From Paul Hunchak's January 2006 interview with OCANews.org: "I learned quite a bit from the Church's legal counsel, Jonathan Russin, in August 1999. There was so much going on during this period. Eric had been trying to find out for years where all the money was going. In June 1999 John Kozey (OCA Audit Committee Chairman) blew the whistle. As an aside, I recall that Fr. Kondratick spent hours that summer shredding documents from his private filing cabinet that held, among others things, the only records of bequests given to the OCA. It was a rather late Spring cleaning. The All American Council in Pittsburgh in August 1999 was so hard for me, because I knew the game was afoot. The team of Richard Rock and William Turbey (a co-worker dubbed them the "ecclesiastical tailors") were running around in the background, writing letters, arranging the cover-up, and a newly-hired Church employee (Fr. David Brum, now Secretary to the Metropolitan) was also writing, trying to change the Statute behind the scenes. Meanwhile, the Council was happily going on as if nothing was happening, because no one knew what was really going on..." Fr. Brum became the Metropolitan's Secretary only after Fr. John Hopko left - but he was employed by RSK before that at Syosset. )
#12.1.1
Andrew A. Boyd
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2009-08-22 09:20
I took a double take on the editor's note and then read it over and over again. So, congratulations DHH, the editor agrees with you -- there is guilt by association and no need to disagree!
#12.1.2
Terry C. Peet
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2009-08-22 10:45
I've been struggling lately to find the right words to express the very complex issues swirling around this election and my very mixed reactions to those issues. Whenever I try to put together thoughts on one narrow slice, it quickly grows to encompass everything -- and that's just too much.
But this issue of "guilt by association" is one part of the mix. Maybe it can be teased out with some degree of clarity. First, what we're doing here in NY/NJ is trying to find the best available candidate for our diocese, under our circumstances, at this place, at this time. That is not the same thing as finding the candidate who has the greatest degree of merit in some abstract sense. The suitability and match of a particular set of talents and a particular personality to our circumstances must come into play. Second, as regards our recent, most unfortunate past, we are falling into a trap of portraying and arguing everything as if every person involved can be sorted into good guys and bad guys -- bad guys who were very, very bad; and good guys who are very, very good. This is simplistic and ultimately, unintentionally, dishonest. Even the generally acknowledged [although, to this day, not by all] 'bad guy' at the center of it all, RSK, was good in many, many ways -- a tremendously talented administrator, combining charm and competence, attention to detail and and the ability to orchestrate details in the service of a broader vision. Anyone who has lived long enough and engaged with a variety of organizations can appreciate how rare and valuable such a combination of talents is. To paint him as a cartoon villain is to miss the point. And each person who was part of the administration was similarly a complex mixture of talents and temptations -- we all are. The questions to be asked of those who were part of what became a dysfunctional [although efficient] and corrupt system isn't whether they were guilty or innocent, but how their own personalities and habits played into the mess. Because, good and bad, many had a part in this -- not just those in Syosset. The mistakes that contributed to the mess were both conscious and unconscious on the part of the players. So simply saying, "This person is a good person, this person is immensely talented, this person has much to offer," is not sufficient for answering whether this person would be the right choice for this diocese at this time. We have to look at appropriateness and fit, and, most significantly, we have to look at the bigger picture of how you turn around a whole system that went off the tracks. The dysfunction of the old administration permeated every aspect of our common church life -- particularly in NY/NJ. The fear and intimidation, the forced consensus, the labeling and shaming of anyone who expressed dissent -- it went on for years [and, most unfortunately, seems to continue in the tone and content of some recent official diocesan communications]. The culture of our common church life needs to shift. That shift may be accompanied by a temporary sense of disorder. That disorder may be hard to tolerate for many. But if we're really going to move away from the past, we need a break -- and that means a change of people. Someone doesn't need to be 'bad' or 'guilty' to have been part of the problems. By definition, anyone who was an intimate part of the former administration failed -- they may have failed through complicity, but even without such guilt, they failed either by not noticing what was going on or not confronting it in a constructive and effective way. These were not the actions or decisions of a day -- it went on for decades, and those who were in and around the central administration each developed [again, wittingly or unwittingly] their own role in the system. Dcn. Eric Wheeler is admired as a whistle-blower, but he also has shown publicly that he understands what in himself led him to go along for so long. He displays self-reflection and understanding of what went wrong, not just around him, but in himself. Other prominent members of the former administration have not shown such reflection and understanding. It's not enough not to be a crook -- we need to know that they've learned something about themselves and about how things can go wrong. We need to know that this kind of mess will never happen again. Which brings us back to one of the current candidates to be nominated as Bishop for NY/NJ. RSK recruited talented and effective people. RSK recruited good people. RSK recruited loyal people, whose loyalty and patterns of submitting to authority he could exploit. RSK manipulated the people around him, he misused their good intentions. He created a system that served his needs. Many good and innocent people were woven into that system, some unknowingly. We're not in some abstract, idealized situation. We're dealing with the real complexities of human relationships. For the system that is life in the OCA and in the diocese of NY/NJ to adjust and develop and grow, we need a break with the past. We need new people who were not enmeshed in the old system. That's not a condemnation of everyone who was there -- it's just a recognition that those who were engaged in the mess need a break, need time to do something else and come to terms with what happened. It's not "guilt by association" to maintain that Fr. David Brum isn't the best candidate for bishop at this time, it's simple recognition that a prominent member of the former administration [no matter how talented, no matter how innocent] is a poor fit for the needs of this diocese at this time. Bp. Benjamin speaks of how well Fr. David is doing in his current parish assignment -- that's wonderful. A few years of work away from the swirl of the chancery and the pressures of broad administrative duties sounds like the perfect environment for Fr. David to serve the church and for him to come to terms with the past. Such coming to terms, as a practical human reality, is never the matter of a few months or a couple of years -- do any of us really understand complex situations of which we were a part and understand our own contribution, albeit unintentional and innocent, to those situations until five or ten years has passed? So it's not a question of 'not him,' but not here, not now.
#12.1.2.1
Rebecca Matovic
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2009-08-23 05:55
As a former novice of two years in a serious monastic community I am somewhat perplexed , but not surprised, that none of the canidates are monastics for Bishop of New York. Bishops have for the better part of Church history been taken from the angelic rank for reasons which are beyond the scope of this comment. However, most celibate clergy will all be tonsured monks before ordination to the episcopacy in order to maintain proper Church tradition. I am not against this in principle, but, we have seen time and time again what the Church goes through throughout her history when she does not elevate men of true repentance to the episcopacy. The heart of monastic life is repentance which is the only real qualifier for Bishop, or even Layman for that matter. When I read the web sites speaking of each canidate it felt somewhat like I was investigating which "senator" to vote for. It would have been nice to see a canidate write nothing about himself and only have his education and ecclesial work posted. The life of a monk would generally never allow such a run off to occur. This may work well in a democracy, however, it never works well for fostering humility. The whole process elevates the passions in the canidates and the laity.
#13
Anonomous Subdeacon/Seminarian
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2009-08-21 22:09
Dear Subdeacon:
The "TRADITION" of the Orthodox Church is to have both monastics and married bishops. Married bishops had progeny and in Roman/Byzantine law, the progeny inherited the property of the bishop. The kids would own church properties, monies, etc. and many times liquidate these assets for their own purpose. It was logical to go to celibates and monastics who had no children, were better educated in monasteries (where the libraries were) and most were orphans where they had no family baggage. However, for us to have married bishops is perfectly acceptable!
#13.1
Anonymous
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2009-08-22 08:42
Dear Sir,
Roman Canon Law is not applicable to our situation because we are Byzantine. If we follow the canons of the Byzantine Church married men are no longer able to be canidates unless widowed, or, they seperate from their wife. Having completed my Canon Law class in seminary last year I can testify to this fact. Canonicaly a man must also be tonsured a monk before ordination to the episcopal office. The Church, in her wisdom, decided that the Bishop should only be married to the Church. This is practical because as his see would grow the Bishop would be away from his family for far too long. Look how many priests sacrifice time with their family today because of their parish work. According to Holy Scripture there is absolutley nothing wrong with married Bishops, but, many priests don't have enough time with their families today let alone a married Bishop. However, the canonical reality in the Byzantine Church is a Bishop must be widowed, or mutually seperated from his wife, and then tonsured a monk before he is eligable for ordination to the office of Bishop. This doesn't mean it couldn't change, but, it would more then likely require a Ecumenical Council. As it stands now married men cannot be Bishops in the Byzantine Church.
#14
Anonomous Subdeacon/Seminarian
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2009-08-22 15:44
Please adduce the canons which require that bishops be monks.
Monk James
#14.1
Monk James
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2009-08-22 16:28
Dear Subdeacon:
It is theologically incorrect that married men cannot be considered for the episcopacy. What impediment is marriage? Is it dirty? Is it somehow less in accepting grace? What is it? Celibates/monks were chosen for EXPEDIENCY - PERIOD. It is time for the Orthodox Church to return to it's TRADITION of a married episcopate. No need for any ruling from any council. There is no theological impediment for married men being considered for the episcopacy. It's time to get past this old, celibate men's club and adhere to the Orthodox theology of our church!
#14.2
Anonymous
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2009-08-24 07:55
Dear Monk James,
I will be returning to seminary from summer break this coming week. As soon as I get back I will have access to the Rudder with a search engine. I do remember it was a local council and not ecumenical. I think it was from Africa also, but, I'm not 100 percent positive. The prefect of the seminary and I had a lively discussion about it. The article: DEGREES OF EASTERN ORTHODOX MONASICISM, from Wikipedia states:"Bishops are required by the sacred canons of the Orthodox Church to be chosen from among the monastic clergy." Also there is an article in AUSTRALIAN E JOURNAL OF THEOLOGY by Angelos Nicolaides (Feb. 2006, issue six) where he states:"The Orthodox Church practice of appointing only celibate priests as archimandrites
#15
Anonomous Subdeacon/Seminarian
on
2009-08-22 18:31
Married Bishops in the Orthodox Church: An Analysis
If a man desire the office of a Bishop, he desires a good work. A Bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, ...ruling well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity. [1 Timothy 3:1-4] For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city as I had appointed you; If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children, not accused of riot, or unruly. [Titus 1:5,6] Now when Jesus had come into Peter's house, He saw his wife's mother lying sick with a fever. [Matthew 8:14] But Simon's wife's mother lay sick with a fever, and they told Him about her at once. [Mark 1:30] Now He arose from the Synagogue and entered Simon's house. But Simon's wife's mother was sick with a high fever, and they made request of Him concerning her. [Luke 4:38] Introduction Image First, we must establish the Biblical and thus traditional position of the Orthodox Church regarding the issue of married clergy. Secondly, we must be against the allegations made by (some) Orthodox that the consecration of married men to the office of bishop is supposedly "uncanonical", somehow "unorthodox", or even worse, "heretical". St Peter the Apostle Undoubtedly, St. Peter and virtually all Apostles were married. Their marriage clearly did not nullify being chosen as Apostles by Christ. There is no reference to any children of the marriage, before or after the call as an Apostle. There is a clear Orthodox tradition that St Peter dedicated himself completely (lived celibate from that time on) to Christ from the time of his call. This can be seen in the following words of St Clement of Alexandria:They say, accordingly, that the blessed Peter, on seeing his wife led to death, rejoiced on account of her call and conveyance home, and called very encouragingly and comfortingly, addressing her by name, 'Remember the Lord'. Such was the marriage of the blessed, and their perfect disposition towards those dearest to them. Thus also the Apostle says, 'That he who marries should be as though he married not', and deem his marriage free of inordinate affection, and inseparable from love to the Lord; to which the true husband exhorted his wife to cling on her departure out of this life to the Lord. [p.541, Book 7, The Stromata, Clement of Alexandria, Ante Nicene Fathers, Vol. 2] Evidence of Married Bishops in the early Church The father of the Cappodacian Saints was a Married Bishop. The elder Gregory was converted by the influence of his wife, Nonna; and soon after his conversion was consecrated to the bishopric of Nazianzus [p.187, Prolegomena, Sect. 1, Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers, Vol. 7] (Note: This is Gregory the elder, not his son St Gregory Nazianzus). Note that, There are two lines in his poem of St Gregory Nazienzan on his own life which seem to indicate clearly that his birth took place after his father's elevation to the Episcopate... [p.188, Prolegomena, Sect. 1, Vol 7]. Basil left before him and returned to Cappadocia; and as soon as he could follow he went to Constantinople, where he met his brother, who had just come there to practice and return with his brother to Nazianzus. They found their parents still living and their father occupying the Episcopal Throne. From this time onward Gregory divided his time between his parents and his friend; living partly at Arianzus, and partly with Basil in Pontus, in monastic seclusion. [p.191, Prolegomena, Sect. 1, Vol. 7]. Gregory,...felt very strongly drawn to the monastic life; but as retirement from the world did not seem to him to be his vocation, he resolved to continue to live in the world, and to be a help and support to his now aged parents, and especially to his father in the duties of his Episcopate, but at the same time to live under the strictest ascetic rule. [ibid.] In 374, Gregory the elder died, and his wife also, and thus our saint was set free from the charge of the diocese. [p.195, ibid.] Early Tradition on the marriage of St Gregory of Nyssa Here it is usual to place the marriage of Gregory with Theosebeia, said to have been a sister of Gregory Nazianzus. Certainly the tradition of Gregory's (Nyssa) marriage received such credit as to be made in after times a proof of the non-celibacy of the Bishops of his age. [p.3, A Sketch of the Life of St Gregory of Nyssa, Second Series, Vol. 5] St John Chrysostom on married Hierarchs 'A Bishop then,' he says, 'must be blameless the husband of one wife.' This he does not lay down as a rule, as if he must not be without one, but as prohibiting his having more than one. [p.438, First Series, Vol. 13, St John Chrysostom, Homily X, Homilies on Timothy] If then 'he who is married cares for the things of the world' (1 Cor. 7:33), and a bishop ought not to care for the things of the world, why does he say 'the husband of one wife'? Some indeed think that he says this with reference to one who remains free from a wife. But if otherwise, he that has a wife may be as though he had none (1 Cor. 7:29). For that liberty was then properly granted, as suited to the nature of the circumstances then existing. And it is very possible, if a man will, to regulate his conduct. [p. 438, ibid.] 'Having his children in subjection with all gravity.' This is necessary, that an example might be exhibited in his own house. [p.439. ibid.] Verse 6: 'If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children, not accused of riot, or unruly.' Why does he bring forward such a one? To stop the mouths of those heretics who condemned marriage, showing that it is not an unholy thing in itself, but so far honorable, that a married man might ascend the holy throne; and at the same reproving the wanton, and not permitting their admission into this high office who contracted a second marriage. For he who retains no kind regard for her who is departed, how shall he be a good presider? [p.524, Works of St John Chrysostomos, Homily on Titus, Homily 2, First Series, Vol. 13]. 'Having faithful children, not accused of riot, or unruly.' We should observe what care he bestows upon children. For he who cannot be the instructor of his own children, how should he be the Teacher of others?...But, if occupied in the pursuit of wealth, he has made his children a secondary concern, and not bestowed much care upon them, even so he is unworthy. For if when nature prompted, he was so void of affection or so senseless, that he thought more of his wealth than of his children, how should he be raised to the episcopal throne, and so great a rule? [pp. 524/5, ibid.] St Athanasius the Apostolic:But I have also thought it necessary to inform you of the fact, that Bishops have succeeded those who have fallen asleep. In Tanis, in the stead of Elias, is Theodorus. In Arsenoitis, Silvanus instead of Nonnus. In Bucolia is Heraclius. In Tentyra, Andronicus is instead of Saprion, his father. In Thebes, Philon instead of Philon, etc. [pp.538/9, Letter 12, Sect. 2, Letters of St Athanasius, Second Series, Vol. IV, Athanasius] For we know both bishops who fast, and monks who eat. We know bishops that drink no wine, as well as monks who do. We know bishops who work wonders, as well as monks who do not. Many also of the bishops have not even married, while monks have been fathers of children; just as conversely we know bishops who are fathers of children and monks 'of the completest kind'. [p.560, Letter 49, Sect. 9, ibid.] St Ambrose of Milan And so the Apostle have given a pattern, saying that a bishop 'must be blameless', and in another place: 'A bishop must be without offence, as a steward of God, not proud, not soon angry, not given to wine, not a striker, not greedy of filthy lucre.' For how can the compassion of a dispenser of alms and the avarice of a covetous man agree together? I have set down these things which I have been told are to be avoided, but the apostle is the master of virtues, and he teaches that gainsayers are to be convicted with patience, who lays down that one should be the husband of a single wife, not in order to exclude him from the right of marriage (for this is beyond the force of the precept), but that by conjugal chastity he may preserve the grace of his baptismal washing; nor again that he may be induced by the Apostle's authority to beget children in the priesthood; for he speaks of having children, not of begetting them, or marrying again. [p.465, Chapters 61 & 62, Letter 63, St Ambrose, Second Series,Vol. 10] Origen The Marriage of Church Dignitaries: But, while dealing with the passage, I would say that we will be able perhaps now to understand and clearly set forth a question which is hard to grasp and see into, with regard to the legislation of the Apostle concerning ecclesiastical matters; for Paul wishes no one of those of the church, who has attained to any eminence beyond the many, as is attained in the administration of the sacraments, to make trial of a second marriage. For laying down the law in regard to bishops in the first Epistle to Timothy, he says, 'If a man seeketh the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. The bishop, therefore, must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded,' etc.; and, in regard to deacons, 'Let the deacons,' he says, 'be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well,' etc. ... And, in the Epistle to Titus, 'For this cause,' he says, 'I left thee in Crete that thou shouldest set in order the things that were wanting, and appoint elders in every city as I gave thee charge. If any one is blameless, the husband of one wife, having children, that believe'. Now, when we saw that some who have been married twice may be much better than those who have been married once, we were perplexed why Paul does not at all permit those who have been twice married to be appointed to ecclesiastical dignities; for also it seemed to me that such a thing was worthy of examination, as it was possible that a man, who had been unfortunate in two marriages, and had lost his second wife while he was yet young, might have lived for the rest of his years up to old age in the greatest self-control and chastity. Who, then, would not naturally be perplexed why at all, when a ruler of the church is being sought for, we do not appoint such a man, though he has been twice married, because of the expressions about marriage, but lay hold of the man who has been once married as our ruler, even if he chance to have lived to old age with his wife, and sometimes may not have been disciplined in chastity and temperance? But, from what is said in the law about the bill of divorcement, I reflect whether, seeing that the bishop and the presbyter and the deacon are a symbol of things that truly exist in accordance with these names, he wished to appoint those who were figuratively once married. [pp.509/10, Book XIV, Origen's Commentary on Matthew, Vol. X, Ante Nicene Fathers] Councils of the Church Canon V of the Canons of the Twelve Apostles (Apostolic Canons):Let not a bishop, presbyter, or deacon, put away his wife under pretence of religion; but if he put her away, let him be excommunicated; and if he persists, let him be deposed. Canon LI of the Apostolic Canons:If any bishop, presbyter, or deacon, or any one of the sacerdotal list, abstains from marriage, or flesh, or wine, not by way of religious restraint, but as abhorring them, forgetting that God made all things very good, and that he made man male and female, and blaspheming the work of creation, let him be corrected, or else be deposed, and cast out of the Church. In like manner a layman. In conclusion, the Apostolic Canons represent the very early Canon Law of the Church, that the Canons which make up the collection are of various dates, but that most of them are earlier than the year 300, and that while it is not possible to say exactly when the collection, as we now have it, was made, there is good reason for assigning it a date not later than the middle of the fourth century.... There can be no question that in the East the Apostolic Canons were very generally looked upon as a genuine work prepared by the Holy Apostles. [p. 592, Vol.XIV, The Seven Ecumenical Councils of the Undivided Church Quinisext Council (Fifth-Sixth) [sometimes called the "Trullon Synod"] Canon XII:Moreover, this also has come to our knowledge, that in Africa and Libya, and in other places the most God-beloved bishops in those parts do not refuse to live with their wives, even after consecration, thereby giving scandal and offence to the people. Since, therefore, it is our particular care that all things tend to the good of the flock placed in our hands and committed to us - it has seemed good that henceforth nothing of the kind shall in any way occur. And we say this, not to abolish and overthrow what things were established of old by Apostolic authority, but as caring for the health of the people and their advance to better things, and lest the ecclesiastical state should suffer any reproach...But if any shall have been observed to do such a thing, let him be deposed. Commentary by Aristenus:The fifth Apostolic canon allows neither bishop, presbyter, nor deacons to cast forth his wife under pretext of piety; and assigns penalties for any that shall do so, and if he will not amend he is to be deposed. But this canon on the other hand does not permit a bishop even to live with his wife after his consecration. But by this change no contempt is meant to be poured out upon what had been established by Apostolic authority, but it was made through care for the people's health and for leading on to better things, and for fear that the sacerdotal estate might suffer some wrong. Van Espen:In the time of this Canon (of the Apostles) not only presbyters and deacons, but bishops also, it is clear, were allowed by Eastern custom to have their wives; and Zonaras and Balsamon note that even until the Sixth Council, commonly called in Trullo, bishops were allowed to have their wives. Canon XLVII:The wife of him who is advanced to hierarchical dignity, shall be seperated from her husband by their mutual consent, and after his ordination and consecration to the episcopate she shall enter a monastery situated at a distance from the abode of the bishop, and there let her enjoy the bishop's provision. And if she is deemed worthy she may be advanced to the dignity of a deaconess. On the Marriage of the Clergy The doctrine and practice of the ancient Church in the East can be fittingly quoted in the words of the Rev. John Fulton in the introduction to the Third Edition of his Index Canonum [p.29, NY, 1892]. He says, Marriage was no impediment to ordination even as a Bishop; and bishops, Priests and Deacons, equally with other men, were forbidden to put away their wives under pretext of religion. The case was different when a man was unmarried at the time of his ordination. Then he was held to have given himself wholly to God in the office of the Holy Ministry, and he was forbidden to take back from his offering that measure of his cares and his affections which must necessarily be given to the maintenance and nurture of his family. [p.365, Vol. XIV, The Seven Ecumenical Councils of the Undivided Church. St. Demetrius the Vine Dresser (Egyptian Patriarch) The Coptic Orthodox Synaxarian records one of the early Patriarchs of the Church of Alexandria as being a married man. The record states he had lived a celibate life since the beginning of marriage and it is not known whether this is a later redaction to cover the obvious conflict that would ensue otherwise. In any case, the fact of his enthronement again confirms that the tradition of the Church at that time did not consider marriage to be a bar to even hold the highest office of the Orthodox Church. The Byzantine Church In 1990, an article from The Orthodox Observer, a Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of North and South America publication, states, At the 1992 meeting of the clergy-laity conference of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of North and South America (Archbishop Iacovos), held in New Orleans, a formal resolution was sent to the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Constantinople 'to consider returning to the practice of ordaining married priests as bishops as was done in the early church.' ... Earlier in December 1991, the Greek Archdiocese stated that it was the original practice of the Church for a married Episcopate. Please also note that Archbishop Iakovos promoted the return of married bishops to worldwide Orthodoxy and agreed that individual jurisdictions could retain the Apostolic tradition of the Early Church. Various Practices Regarding the Episcopacy [1] Celibate/Monastics Only: The majority position amongst the Eastern Orthodox which has a large well of monastics to draw from. Also the position amongst the Oriental Orthodox, who, like their Eastern brethren, have a vibrant monastic community. Many of these Churches, having had married bishops in the early Church, did however draw from their monastics for over one thousnad years (Armenians seemingly being the exception). However, it is noted that even amongst the Eastern Orthodox it is not unusual to elect a Priest to the Episcopacy whose wife has reposed first. Evidence is overwhelming that in the Orthodox Tradition marriage is not a bar to consecration. Economia and the will of the Orthodox Christians in the traditional homelands do not lend themselves to changing this current practice, which has served their churches very well for centuries. [2] Married but dedicated Celibacy: The traditional position regarding the Apostles (St Peter, for example) and many of the married men that have been elevated in times past (St Demetrius the Vinedresser amongst the Coptic Orthodox, for instance) is supported by the Canonical authority of the Fifth-Sixth Council (Canons 12 and 47-see above). However, if the dedicated celibacy was due to the heretical view that marital relations were not honorable (sinful) then a clear rejection of the fifth and fifty-first canons of the Apostolic Canons would apply placing the rejector under anathema. This is an acceptable position when the Church is in a missionary situation as it was in the days of the Apostles and early centuries (and currently amongst the Western hemispherre), but is not as needed when a large pool of spiritual monastics is granted to the Church by God. The practice is that the married couple live celibate from the time of dedication or consecration, usually with the wife also entering into monastic lifestyle or a community and frequently being received as a dedicated Deaconness. [3] Married but not dedicated Celibacy: Perhaps the least controversial position due to the fact that the Bishop has not lived or promised to live a celibate life from consecration. Those who reject this position outright often bring the following verse to bear: "He who is married is concerned for his wife and the affairs of the world", alongside St Paul's words that it is 'better' to remain as he was, i.e. celibate. There are also references (see above) of married bishopes that bore children in lawful Christian marriage after their consecration (although far less frequently and often alongside later attempts by writers to re-write the facts of the matter). The Biblical references relating to the bishop being married and having in submission his children does not imply that the children came after the elevation to the Episcopate. However, the lawful Christian state of marriage itself determines that the married but not celibate Episcopate has not committed any sin that would prevent him from consecration. Of course not all things that are 'lawful are also expedient' and thus, this third position causes much confusion and consternation amongst some Orthodox. The Canons of the Fifth-Sixth Council direct all married bishopes to seperate from their wives and live a dedicated life and these are often quoted by those who deny the correctness of this position. However, the earlier Apostolic Canons direct the exact opposite that one was not allowed to put away ones wife. Obviously this matter falls well within the oiconomia of the bishops in a particular Synod to determine the married epicopate for their jurisdiction. Various Objections Raised Regarding a Married Episcopacy The Church decided in later centuries to change to monastic bishops only. At a number of question forums where the laity have a chance to ask various Bishops for their response to why the Church no longer has married Bishops (as Holy Scriptures allow and the Church Fathers attest to) we found that the common answer is often:The whole church decided to change the practice in the third century. The response from the blessed bishops is somewhat ill-informed and assumed to be the case, rather than defacto is the case: [a] The Universal Church made no such declaration in the 3rd century nor the centuries immediately following that time. [b] The exact opposite actually occurred. At the 1st Ecumenical Council of Nicea in 325 AD, the Western (Roman) legates attempted force Canons requiring celibacy of all clergy. These attempted amendments however failed, and a large part of their failure were the words of St Paphnutius of the Church of Alexandria, a Saint and miracle worker who was famed and respected across the empire, even receiving admiration from the Emperor himself. What made St Paphnutius' words even more immpressive is that he himself had been a celibate monastic since entering the life as a teenager. Here a strictly ascetic monastic argued against the enforced celibacy of any rank of the Church's offices (cf. Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers, Volume 14, The Seven Ecumenical Councils:"Proposed Action on Celibacy"): that too heavy a yoke ought not to be laid upon the clergy; that marriage and married intercourse are of themselves honorable and undefiled; that the Church ought not to be injured by an extreme severity, for all could not live in absolute continency. In this way (by not prohibiting marrital relations) the virtue of the wife would be much more certainly preserved (viz. the wife of a clergyman, because she might find injury elsewhere, if her husband withdrew from the marriage). The intercourse of a man with his lawful wife may also be a chaste intercourse. It would therefore be sufficient, according to the ancient tradition of the Church, if those who had taken holy orders without being married were prohibited from marrying afterwards; but those clergymen who had been married only once as laymen, were not to be separated from their wives. This discourse of St. Paphnutius made so much more of an impression, since he had never lived in matrimony himself, and had had no conjugal intercourse. St. Paphnutius had been brought up in a monastery, and his great purity of manners had rendered him especially celebrated. Therefore the Council took the serious words of the Egyptian bishop into consideration, stopped all discussion upon the law, and left to each cleric the responsibility of deciding the point as he would. We must conclude that a law was proposed at the Council of Nicaea in the same way as the one which had been carried twenty years previously at Elvira, Spain. This coincidence would lead us to believe that it was the Spaniard Hosius who proposed the law respecting celibacy at Nicaea. The discourse ascribed to St. Paphnutius, and the consequent decision of the Synod, agree very well with the text of the Apostolic Constitutions, and with the whole practice of the Greek Church in respect to celibacy. Both, the Greek Church as well as the Latin one accepted this principle, that whoever had taken holy orders before marriage, ought not to be married afterwards. In the Latin Church, bishops, priests, deacons. and even subdeacons, were considered to be subject to this law, because the latter were at a very early period reckoned among the higher servants of the Church, which was not the case in the Greek Church. The Greek Church went so far as to allow deacons to marry after their ordination, if they had obtained permission from their bishop to do so. The Council of Ancyra affirms this (Canon 10). We see that the Greek Church wishes to leave the bishop free to decide the matter; but, in reference to priests, it also prohibited them from marrying after their ordination. While the Latin Church exacted of those presenting themselves for ordination, even as subdeacons, that they should not continue to live with their wives (if they were married), the Greek Church gave no such prohibition; but if the wife of an ordained clergyman died, the Greek Church allowed no second marriage. The Apostolic Constitutions decided this point in the same way. To leave their wives from a pretext of piety was also forbidden to Greek priests; and the Synod of Gangra (Canon 4) took up the defence of married priests against the Eustathians. Eustathius, however, was not alone among the Greeks opposing the marriage of all clerics, and in desiring to introduce into the Greek Church the Latin discipline regarding this matter. St. Epiphanius also inclined towards this side. The Greek Church did not, however, adopt this rigour in reference to priests, deacons, and subdeacons, but by degrees it came to be required of bishops and of the higher order of clergy in general, that they should live in celibacy. Yet this was not until after the compilation of the Apostolic Canons (Canon 5) and of the Constitutions; for in those documents mention is made of bishops living in wedlock, and Church history shows that there were married bishops (for instance, Bishop Synesius in the fifth century). But it is fair to remark, even as to Synesius, that he made it an express condition of his election to the episcopate, that he might continue to live the married life. Thomassin believes that Synesius did not seriously require this condition, and only spoke thus for the sake of escaping the episcopal office; which would seem to imply that in his time Greek bishops had already begun to live in celibacy. At the Trullan Synod (Canon 13) the Greek Church finally settled the question of the marriage of priests (First Ecumenical Council of Nicea, Proposed Action on Clerical Celibacy, Second Series, Vol. XIV, pp. 51/2) [3] The Church enforced celibate Bishops to stop Nepotism: This explanation perhaps gives us the clearest reason why the Church moved away from married bishops. Nepotism is where the ecclesiastical dignity is passed down from father to son and becomes a sort of family empire, something that the Church can never be. This phenomen can be seen today, for instance in the Billy Graham and Pat Robertson enterprises and other ministries where the sons are effectively taking over as the inheritors to their fathers. While this may not always be a bad thing or necessarily against the will of God, it does lead to the confusion of the laity who would begin to see an element of family empire building in the making. In order to end the passing of ecclesiastical properties as inheritance to sons, the Church began to choose men who were never married, and thus no claims for inheritance could be levelled. This perhaps was valid during the days when the bishops held all property and legal deeds, and incorpartions did not exist. Nowadays, at an age of public disclosure of banking and financial accounts, with lay treasurers and financial committees etc, there is little to no chance of such to occur. [4] The need of an Ecumenical Council to change back: This is seemingly a valid statement made by those who reject the married Episcopate. They assert that since an Ecumenical council declared the matter closed, then it requires another Ecumenical Council to change that. This argument is flawed in a number of points: First, an ecumenical council did NOT declare the matter closed. On the contrary, The Council of Nicea refused to implement this discipline. Secondly, the Fifth-sixth Council did NOT ban married bishops, but implemented a set discipline upon them. Thirdly, there has not been an Ecumenical Council since the schism of the Church and there is not likely to be one in any foreseeable future. We no longer have Christian Emperors who can call an Ecumenical Council, let alone the fact that the whole Roman Church would obviously fail to attend any Council called by the East. Amusingly, the answer (of needing another Ecumenical Council to settle the matter) really does not deal with the issue but 'passes the buck' to some indefinite, improbable future event. Such would not be acceptable from a theological or cannonically viewpoint, since oiconomia has always allowed the bishops to determine how to enforce or interpret the Canons in their particular circumstances. Recently allowances in matters of ecclesiastical discipline have been observed in a number of jurisdictions, including priest's being able to remarry, bishops being transferred to other dioceses, "Coadjutor" type bishops in dioceses that are not under their authority, monks leaving their vows being allowed to marry, more than one bishop in one city, etc. - Yet none of these recent matters were left to a futuristic Ecumenical Council. Summary We believe the above information and the facts of history stand for themselves and do not need a defence. It is rather the other side in need of defence, from a Scriptural, Patristic and canonical point of view. Additionally, the western hemnisphere is not like the homelands of Eastern or Oriental Orthodoxy which had two thousand years of resources to draw from suitable monastics availble for consecration. Though the earlier Canons are believed by Orthodox tradition to come directly via Apostolic authority, the later ones by an assumed one-size-fits-all decision by the Fifth-sixth Council. Canonical commentators have not been able to resolve the obvious differences other than simply to note them. Oiconomia is the only way this issue should be resolved in the Orthodox faith, as it always has. For one jurisdiction to use one set of Canons against another jurisdiction's interpretation or oikonomia is neither appropriate nor Orthodox!
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