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Re: Fr. Raymond Valencia's selection to the MC:
Is the kind of behavior this priest has engaged in, i.e., the very public violation of confidence and deliberate humiliation of a person in his spiritual charge and employ, to be validated by election to a position of authority?
God help us.
[And before all the usual anonymous suspects start screaming about 'character assassination' and 'witch hunts' -- remember the documents in question weren't leaked by anyone, the priest himself sent them to a wide group of people, several of whom held no position that would justify receiving the documents in an official capacity. By handling the situation the way he did, he provoked a lawsuit and exposed the OCA to a considerable liability. ]
Is the kind of behavior this priest has engaged in, i.e., the very public violation of confidence and deliberate humiliation of a person in his spiritual charge and employ, to be validated by election to a position of authority?
God help us.
[And before all the usual anonymous suspects start screaming about 'character assassination' and 'witch hunts' -- remember the documents in question weren't leaked by anyone, the priest himself sent them to a wide group of people, several of whom held no position that would justify receiving the documents in an official capacity. By handling the situation the way he did, he provoked a lawsuit and exposed the OCA to a considerable liability. ]
#1
Rebecca Matovic
on
2009-09-17 13:46
So, the OCA is still planning to foist this guy onto Alaska?
Maybe I'm part of a Jewish-Masonic plot and just don't know it yet, but couldn't they find someone else?
Moses the Tlingit
Maybe I'm part of a Jewish-Masonic plot and just don't know it yet, but couldn't they find someone else?
Moses the Tlingit
#2
Moses
on
2009-09-17 14:03
Gordon for bishop of Alaska? Jonah laid an egg on that one. This is the same Fr. Gerasim of Platina formerly of HOOM'S, formerly of CSB, now formerly of the Serbian Orthodox Church? This is the Abbot and monastery that harbors Fr. Herman Podmoshensky isn't it? SVS, one frigg'n year only?? ... When will we stop accepting mediocrity, and dangerously trained men?
...
I guess from Syosset and the SOB'S prespective the Alaskan's deserve another poor excuse of a bishop to rape it lands, resources, redecorate and recreate their churches according to convert standards, and ignore the historic, and theological import of these diocese.
What is wrong with taking a native Alaskan widowed priest, and JUST MAKING HIM A BISHOP! The Albanians have an Albanian, the Bulgarians had a Bulgarian, and the Romanians have a Romanian, of yes, the Mexican have a Mexican. So what am I missing here, are the Alaskan's any less worthy?????
Alaska we are with you, REVOLT!
A member of the Orthodox Church in the NY/NJ diocese
...
I guess from Syosset and the SOB'S prespective the Alaskan's deserve another poor excuse of a bishop to rape it lands, resources, redecorate and recreate their churches according to convert standards, and ignore the historic, and theological import of these diocese.
What is wrong with taking a native Alaskan widowed priest, and JUST MAKING HIM A BISHOP! The Albanians have an Albanian, the Bulgarians had a Bulgarian, and the Romanians have a Romanian, of yes, the Mexican have a Mexican. So what am I missing here, are the Alaskan's any less worthy?????
Alaska we are with you, REVOLT!
A member of the Orthodox Church in the NY/NJ diocese
#3
NY/NJ
on
2009-09-17 14:20
I see that "Archimandrite Isidore (Brittain) serves at a small parish in Oregon". I thought he was suspended from priestly duties, and he is not shown on the OCA roster, nor is his name shown on any of the three Serbian parishes in Oregon. Wonder where he is?
(editor's note: He is serving in an OCA parish, albeit under suspension.)
(editor's note: He is serving in an OCA parish, albeit under suspension.)
#4
anonymous
on
2009-09-17 14:32
I would like to express my sincere congratulations to the Diocese of Washington and the OCA on the election of Fr. Raymond Velencia to the Metropolitan Council.
Included in the Very Reverend Velencia's lengthy list of commendable accomplishments is sending every single excruciating detail of my personal history, shared with him in confession and counseling over the course of our 15 year relationship, in an email to approximately 40 individuals I'd never met. People who had no right to the information. They were bishops and clergy and lay members of the Metropolitan Council. Obviously I did not give my authorization for him to do this.
He did it in an effort to humiliate, intimidate, and discredit me. His email did not address my allegations of his misconduct. He had nothing else with which to fight my allegations so he grossly abused his power and position, knowing that I was already vulnerable (based on my history), knowing that I had a baby to care for, without regard to the harm he would be inflicting.
His email also went to Mark Stokoe, editor of this website a full year BEFORE Mark was elected to the Metropolitan Council himself with the intention of getting my highly personal information further published and distributed.
The Very Reverend Fr. Alexey Karlgut "investigated" the matter and when I refused to sign a release for the OCA, the investigation was over. In his findings, Fr. Alexey impersonated a legal professional, further intimidated me with my personal information, stated that "no one came forward to verify my allegations of the violation of my confession". Which was interesting given that he never contacted my witnesses or noted my witness statements. Which included a written statement from a previous Board Member of St. Matthew House who reported that the Very Reverend Fr. Velencia had violated my confidentiality to her.
I will not be silent. Not anymore. I have tried for almost 4 years to resolve this matter. All I ever wanted was for the church to intervene in a very abusive situation. All I ever wanted was accountability, correction, prevention. Sadly I was told my high ups in the OCA itself that I would get nowhere without a lawsuit. I have been open to settling the matter several times. What prevented that process was megolamanical demands from Fr. Ray for me never to set foot in his church again, for example.
The Ciircuit Court for Howard County dismissed my complaint against the OCA, the diocese, the Very Reverend Constantine White, St. Matthew church, and the former Metropolitan Herman on the basis of First Amendment rights for heirarchical churches to self-govern, even if, as the local attorney for the church said "the priest is bad". It was NOT dismissed on the merits of the case.
The case is a matter of public record and I will be posting the motions for summary judgment filed by the OCA and the diocese, as well as the affadavits filed by Herman, Constantine White and Joseph Lickwar, for your information. I will also post the transcripts from the hearings we had. You should be aware of the tactics used by the church to escape responsibility.
Even if you DO NOT CARE, which has become evident to me and to my family.
The Circuit Court judge continued my complaint against St. Matthew House and Fr. Ray as President of the Board for the wrongful termination of my employment and for discrimination based on sex (pregnancy) which means we are still in litigation.
In addition, we will likely appeal the Circuit Court's decision regarding the church portion of the case as the judge was wrong in his overly broad application of the First Amendment. Reading the transcript of the hearings as well as attached legal research will speak for itself.
I will not be silent.
Again, congratulations.
Included in the Very Reverend Velencia's lengthy list of commendable accomplishments is sending every single excruciating detail of my personal history, shared with him in confession and counseling over the course of our 15 year relationship, in an email to approximately 40 individuals I'd never met. People who had no right to the information. They were bishops and clergy and lay members of the Metropolitan Council. Obviously I did not give my authorization for him to do this.
He did it in an effort to humiliate, intimidate, and discredit me. His email did not address my allegations of his misconduct. He had nothing else with which to fight my allegations so he grossly abused his power and position, knowing that I was already vulnerable (based on my history), knowing that I had a baby to care for, without regard to the harm he would be inflicting.
His email also went to Mark Stokoe, editor of this website a full year BEFORE Mark was elected to the Metropolitan Council himself with the intention of getting my highly personal information further published and distributed.
The Very Reverend Fr. Alexey Karlgut "investigated" the matter and when I refused to sign a release for the OCA, the investigation was over. In his findings, Fr. Alexey impersonated a legal professional, further intimidated me with my personal information, stated that "no one came forward to verify my allegations of the violation of my confession". Which was interesting given that he never contacted my witnesses or noted my witness statements. Which included a written statement from a previous Board Member of St. Matthew House who reported that the Very Reverend Fr. Velencia had violated my confidentiality to her.
I will not be silent. Not anymore. I have tried for almost 4 years to resolve this matter. All I ever wanted was for the church to intervene in a very abusive situation. All I ever wanted was accountability, correction, prevention. Sadly I was told my high ups in the OCA itself that I would get nowhere without a lawsuit. I have been open to settling the matter several times. What prevented that process was megolamanical demands from Fr. Ray for me never to set foot in his church again, for example.
The Ciircuit Court for Howard County dismissed my complaint against the OCA, the diocese, the Very Reverend Constantine White, St. Matthew church, and the former Metropolitan Herman on the basis of First Amendment rights for heirarchical churches to self-govern, even if, as the local attorney for the church said "the priest is bad". It was NOT dismissed on the merits of the case.
The case is a matter of public record and I will be posting the motions for summary judgment filed by the OCA and the diocese, as well as the affadavits filed by Herman, Constantine White and Joseph Lickwar, for your information. I will also post the transcripts from the hearings we had. You should be aware of the tactics used by the church to escape responsibility.
Even if you DO NOT CARE, which has become evident to me and to my family.
The Circuit Court judge continued my complaint against St. Matthew House and Fr. Ray as President of the Board for the wrongful termination of my employment and for discrimination based on sex (pregnancy) which means we are still in litigation.
In addition, we will likely appeal the Circuit Court's decision regarding the church portion of the case as the judge was wrong in his overly broad application of the First Amendment. Reading the transcript of the hearings as well as attached legal research will speak for itself.
I will not be silent.
Again, congratulations.
#5
Kristine Patico Koumentakos
on
2009-09-17 15:37
Any idea which jurisdiction is disregarding the OCA's suspenion of Fr. Isidore Brittain and allowing him to serve?
(editor's note: Ironically, it is the OCA.)
(editor's note: Ironically, it is the OCA.)
#6
Nina Tkachuk Dimas
on
2009-09-17 16:51
God is with you, and so are we!!!
#7
no name
on
2009-09-17 19:04
My heart goes out to you Mrs. Koumenatakos. Your anger seems righteous to me. I was floored when I read that Fr. Valencia was elected to the MC; just absolutely floored. To publicly discredit you? reveal your confession? humiliate and abuse the power of the priesthood? and then be elected to an important position? I sadly think that nothing has changed in the OCA. May God help us, we need it.
#8
Janet Damian
on
2009-09-17 19:04
Let is send to Fr. Isidore our Christian best wishes for recovery from the hell he was in in Alaska. Maybe this one should be embraced and healed from all the damage that was done to him?
Time will tell what role he had in all this. if any, but in the meantime is there any harm in caring about him, just a little?
Time will tell what role he had in all this. if any, but in the meantime is there any harm in caring about him, just a little?
#9
Let us sen
on
2009-09-17 19:17
“formerly of HOOM’S, formerly of CSB,”
No, he didn’t come from HOOM. He was never in the OCA, though, so I guess that’s a plus.
“This is the Abbot and monastery that harbors Fr. Herman Podmoshensky isn’t it?”
No, he left the brotherhood and lives off in the woods alone. I think they bring him food at times: he’d be in his seventies now, I guess.
“SVS, one frigg’n year only?? ... When will we stop accepting mediocrity, and dangerously trained men?”
Yes, clearly it’s the seminary training that’s been the problem. Not, you know, the thieving....
“to rape it lands, resources, redecorate and recreate …”
And you assign these sins in advance to Fr. Gerasim for what reason? I wonder if the sketes mentioned in the article display these qualities.
“What is wrong with taking a native Alaskan widowed priest, and JUST MAKING HIM A BISHOP”
He probably wouldn’t meet your standards for “training,” for one thing. Of course, if the OCA had been less anti-monastic, perhaps there would now also be natives in a local OCA monastic institution following in the footsteps of St. Herman. But would they be able to “model [the] respectful online discourse that Metropolitan PHILIP expects his seminarians to learn”?
No, he didn’t come from HOOM. He was never in the OCA, though, so I guess that’s a plus.
“This is the Abbot and monastery that harbors Fr. Herman Podmoshensky isn’t it?”
No, he left the brotherhood and lives off in the woods alone. I think they bring him food at times: he’d be in his seventies now, I guess.
“SVS, one frigg’n year only?? ... When will we stop accepting mediocrity, and dangerously trained men?”
Yes, clearly it’s the seminary training that’s been the problem. Not, you know, the thieving....
“to rape it lands, resources, redecorate and recreate …”
And you assign these sins in advance to Fr. Gerasim for what reason? I wonder if the sketes mentioned in the article display these qualities.
“What is wrong with taking a native Alaskan widowed priest, and JUST MAKING HIM A BISHOP”
He probably wouldn’t meet your standards for “training,” for one thing. Of course, if the OCA had been less anti-monastic, perhaps there would now also be natives in a local OCA monastic institution following in the footsteps of St. Herman. But would they be able to “model [the] respectful online discourse that Metropolitan PHILIP expects his seminarians to learn”?
#10
A Fellow Orthodox Christian
on
2009-09-18 01:50
Another great reason to thank Mark for this forum. This has become a clearing house for information. Although this forum has been criticized, it's no different than the type of examination of facts and people that occur in any election or appointment. The forum is a healthy exercise of airing concerns. Without it, many people would never know facts and information only to result in problems later. Sure, some things can be exaggerated or misinformation can exist, but airing concerns can allow everything to sorted out. Consider the concerns surrounding Justice Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill!
#11
Anonymous
on
2009-09-18 06:01
Thanks for your letter. Keep up the pressure. ...Through intimidation, threats, fear and just plain tyranny There is a very good possibility that our parish will eventually have to close its doors because people are leaving and not supporting it. And no one cares.
#12
Anonymous
on
2009-09-18 06:38
Dear Kristine Patico Koumentakos,
I hope Mark will post this material in its entirety.
Kristine,
I feel sorry for whatever happened to you, and for the present situation, I will keep you in my prayers, as many priests are keeping me in their prayers.
My employment with the Church was abruptly terminated by my former Archbishop on March 1, 2004. I was sent into the hands of the former OCA Metropolitan, Herman Swaiko.
On April 26, 2005 my attorney filed in Circuit Court of Cook County, (Chicago, IL).
I would like to ask you to respectfully sent to my attention your file which your attorney filed in court against all mentioned in your posting and any court materials you deem as necessary. I would like to see / read your case, and my attorney too.
My e-mail address is: vasilesusan@hotmail.com
Anyone interested to know about my case filed in C.C.C.C. should visit my site: rocpnews.blogspot.com
Would you like to find out something about my struggle, please open my site and read material posted under # 29?
I would like to be informed by you about your court pending case.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to know much more about your endeavor being able to pay attention and read your upcoming postings as you promised.
Sooner more news will come on this site and also on pokrov.org.
I would like to personally compliment Melanie from pokrov.org for her outstanding commitment, dedication and endeavor as A courageous Orthodox Christian fighting for justice of the oppressed.
(Rev Fr Vasile Susan … studied Theology in Romania for nine years, ordained priest in May 1977, father of four College graduates children, husband of ONE WIFE,
currently, ... an OCA Stavropegial priest since March 1st 2004, placed by the former OCA Metropolitan and his former Archbishop on “THE DEATH ROLL” …
without right to get a fair Church trial even requested,
without the right to get answers from the OCA Synod to more than ten (10) APPEALS, MEMORANDUMS, LETTERS, since March 2004 up to this present time,
convicted without due canonical procedure and due process of the law, and marginalized by the OCA hierarchy, due to the abuse of power, corruption, protectionism, blackmail, fired from the position of the parish priest,
uncanonically expelled from the ROEA, and considered “PERSONA NON GRATA” by the OCA hierarchy,
he was also Investigator of the ROEA Spiritual Consistory since September 1997 – July 2001, …
In June 23, 2005 he reported to the OCA Synod a cover up of a homosexual priest, still part of that diocese, not defrocked, with a very nice file sent to the OCA Synod for defrockment, priest without any action against him / his priesthood by the OCA Synod as of yet, ... his file will be made public in the near future.
Time is coming (I hope very soon) when the whole world will be able to see HOW some OCA priest have to be brothers of Alexander Solzhenitsyn … living on the land of freedom of one of the most democratic country of the world, within a different “orthodox (sic) GULAG”, persecuted, humiliated, suffering mockery of his priesthood from those who did not consacrate him to the Holy Order, etc.
This is a grave SIN.
Time to eliminate ALL the abusers of power within the Orthodox Church field and their dictatorial style as Church leaders is near.
Mark,
Feel free and write everything you would like about me, I trust you. You are doing a great job for the benefits of the entire ORTHODOXY.
My sincere, humble, heartfelt THANK YOU, on behalf of those who are posting on your site.
I will not be silent.
May God be with us.
Sincerely in Christ the Lord,
Rev Fr Vasile Susan
(Editor's note: Fr. Vasile currently has a lawsuit pending against Archbishop Nathaniel and the ROEA.)
I hope Mark will post this material in its entirety.
Kristine,
I feel sorry for whatever happened to you, and for the present situation, I will keep you in my prayers, as many priests are keeping me in their prayers.
My employment with the Church was abruptly terminated by my former Archbishop on March 1, 2004. I was sent into the hands of the former OCA Metropolitan, Herman Swaiko.
On April 26, 2005 my attorney filed in Circuit Court of Cook County, (Chicago, IL).
I would like to ask you to respectfully sent to my attention your file which your attorney filed in court against all mentioned in your posting and any court materials you deem as necessary. I would like to see / read your case, and my attorney too.
My e-mail address is: vasilesusan@hotmail.com
Anyone interested to know about my case filed in C.C.C.C. should visit my site: rocpnews.blogspot.com
Would you like to find out something about my struggle, please open my site and read material posted under # 29?
I would like to be informed by you about your court pending case.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to know much more about your endeavor being able to pay attention and read your upcoming postings as you promised.
Sooner more news will come on this site and also on pokrov.org.
I would like to personally compliment Melanie from pokrov.org for her outstanding commitment, dedication and endeavor as A courageous Orthodox Christian fighting for justice of the oppressed.
(Rev Fr Vasile Susan … studied Theology in Romania for nine years, ordained priest in May 1977, father of four College graduates children, husband of ONE WIFE,
currently, ... an OCA Stavropegial priest since March 1st 2004, placed by the former OCA Metropolitan and his former Archbishop on “THE DEATH ROLL” …
without right to get a fair Church trial even requested,
without the right to get answers from the OCA Synod to more than ten (10) APPEALS, MEMORANDUMS, LETTERS, since March 2004 up to this present time,
convicted without due canonical procedure and due process of the law, and marginalized by the OCA hierarchy, due to the abuse of power, corruption, protectionism, blackmail, fired from the position of the parish priest,
uncanonically expelled from the ROEA, and considered “PERSONA NON GRATA” by the OCA hierarchy,
he was also Investigator of the ROEA Spiritual Consistory since September 1997 – July 2001, …
In June 23, 2005 he reported to the OCA Synod a cover up of a homosexual priest, still part of that diocese, not defrocked, with a very nice file sent to the OCA Synod for defrockment, priest without any action against him / his priesthood by the OCA Synod as of yet, ... his file will be made public in the near future.
Time is coming (I hope very soon) when the whole world will be able to see HOW some OCA priest have to be brothers of Alexander Solzhenitsyn … living on the land of freedom of one of the most democratic country of the world, within a different “orthodox (sic) GULAG”, persecuted, humiliated, suffering mockery of his priesthood from those who did not consacrate him to the Holy Order, etc.
This is a grave SIN.
Time to eliminate ALL the abusers of power within the Orthodox Church field and their dictatorial style as Church leaders is near.
Mark,
Feel free and write everything you would like about me, I trust you. You are doing a great job for the benefits of the entire ORTHODOXY.
My sincere, humble, heartfelt THANK YOU, on behalf of those who are posting on your site.
I will not be silent.
May God be with us.
Sincerely in Christ the Lord,
Rev Fr Vasile Susan
(Editor's note: Fr. Vasile currently has a lawsuit pending against Archbishop Nathaniel and the ROEA.)
#13
Anonymous
on
2009-09-18 08:23
Does anyone else find the name/thrust of the group that recently decided to honor SVS disturbing (International Foundation for the Unity of Orthodox Christian Nations)? Unity of Orthodox nations? Are they seeking unity within the Orthodox Church, or political unity (ergo, political power)? Do we know anything more about this organization and its goals? I truly dislike having groups like this reach out to co-opt the work of others and thus draw them into their agendas by bestowing honors, etc. Has SVS decided to accept this "award," and, if so, who made that decision? I think this is a road that ought to be travelled very cautiously.
In Christ,
Cathy Tatusko
In Christ,
Cathy Tatusko
#14
Cathryn M. Tatusko
on
2009-09-18 08:42
Kristine
I am so sorry for all you and your family have gone through.
Once again we have received a very clear message from the OCA that victims of abuse of any kind are ignored, marginalized, ostracized and demonized. And at the same time, OCA abusers continue to be protected, enabled and promoted.
The OCA cares nothing about what happens to victims of abuse. People are consumable and disposable once they have been abused; they are simply tossed out as yesterday’s trash. Kristine, I don’t know if this is any comfort to you, but you are in very good company and you are definitely not alone.
I wish you all the best as you continue to seek some justice in this case. I hope and pray that you and your family keep well and strong. You and the family remain in my prayers.
Shame on the OCA. Shame on Fr. Ray Valencia and Fr. Alexy Karlgut. Karlgut was given the honor of being on the committee to pick candidates for bishop of NY-NJ. Now Valencia is honored with a new position.
....
If the laity continues to keep accepting these decisions, they quite frankly deserve exactly what they get. Namely a totally corrupt Church.
I have nothing but sympathy for the Faithful in Alaska. They deserve better and it looks like they are ready to be set-up once again by the OCA leadership.
Back to your case Kristi. I do hope that people will take the time to read more about this case and find out just exactly what kind of defense the OCA used to cover their backsides. I think they will be shocked.
You don’t deserve this Kristi. Again I am so sorry.
I am so sorry for all you and your family have gone through.
Once again we have received a very clear message from the OCA that victims of abuse of any kind are ignored, marginalized, ostracized and demonized. And at the same time, OCA abusers continue to be protected, enabled and promoted.
The OCA cares nothing about what happens to victims of abuse. People are consumable and disposable once they have been abused; they are simply tossed out as yesterday’s trash. Kristine, I don’t know if this is any comfort to you, but you are in very good company and you are definitely not alone.
I wish you all the best as you continue to seek some justice in this case. I hope and pray that you and your family keep well and strong. You and the family remain in my prayers.
Shame on the OCA. Shame on Fr. Ray Valencia and Fr. Alexy Karlgut. Karlgut was given the honor of being on the committee to pick candidates for bishop of NY-NJ. Now Valencia is honored with a new position.
....
If the laity continues to keep accepting these decisions, they quite frankly deserve exactly what they get. Namely a totally corrupt Church.
I have nothing but sympathy for the Faithful in Alaska. They deserve better and it looks like they are ready to be set-up once again by the OCA leadership.
Back to your case Kristi. I do hope that people will take the time to read more about this case and find out just exactly what kind of defense the OCA used to cover their backsides. I think they will be shocked.
You don’t deserve this Kristi. Again I am so sorry.
Replying both to MOSES and ANONYMOUS:
Nobody should be foisting anybody on Alaska. Alaskans themselves need to nominate a bishop.
BTW - One year at St. Vladimir's does not a bishop make.
Nobody should be foisting anybody on Alaska. Alaskans themselves need to nominate a bishop.
BTW - One year at St. Vladimir's does not a bishop make.
#16
Nina Tkachuk Dimas
on
2009-09-18 10:56
Was it not Isidore (Brittain) the former "domestic partner" of Nicholai (Soraich)?
Was he not allegedly involved in inappropriate sexual advances and public rowdy behavior?
Yet he still retains the title of "archimandrite" in the OCA!
....
Who is the bishop of the small Oregon parish? Let see...
Oh, its good old Benjamin (Peterson)! The same guy who was pushing Brum (another Nicholai-Kondratick associate) into episcopacy.
The criminalization of the OCA continues. Benjamin (Peterson) is throwing the faithful in Oregon into harms way. Plus he continues to increase the liability of the OCA by staying in power and promoting individuals like himself into positions of power. Wonder how long until these bunch starts pushing the rowdy archimandrite to the episcopacy.
And with so many vacancies on the Synod I guess they will keep "booking" more bishops from their gang.
The OCA needs to rid itself of these bunch. Its long overdue.
His Beatitude and the Synod needs to...
Deposed Nicholai (Soraich)
Investigated and deposed Brum and Fester (if found implicated)
Enforced the Kondratick desposition and removed him from Venice
Retire Benjamin (Peterson)
Deposed Brittain
...until such actions are taken there is no real change; it is business as usual and you are not fooling anybody.
Clean house in the OCA!!!
Was he not allegedly involved in inappropriate sexual advances and public rowdy behavior?
Yet he still retains the title of "archimandrite" in the OCA!
....
Who is the bishop of the small Oregon parish? Let see...
Oh, its good old Benjamin (Peterson)! The same guy who was pushing Brum (another Nicholai-Kondratick associate) into episcopacy.
The criminalization of the OCA continues. Benjamin (Peterson) is throwing the faithful in Oregon into harms way. Plus he continues to increase the liability of the OCA by staying in power and promoting individuals like himself into positions of power. Wonder how long until these bunch starts pushing the rowdy archimandrite to the episcopacy.
And with so many vacancies on the Synod I guess they will keep "booking" more bishops from their gang.
The OCA needs to rid itself of these bunch. Its long overdue.
His Beatitude and the Synod needs to...
Deposed Nicholai (Soraich)
Investigated and deposed Brum and Fester (if found implicated)
Enforced the Kondratick desposition and removed him from Venice
Retire Benjamin (Peterson)
Deposed Brittain
...until such actions are taken there is no real change; it is business as usual and you are not fooling anybody.
Clean house in the OCA!!!
#17
Peritus Canonicus -volatilis quod iustus
on
2009-09-18 11:12
Ms. Koumentakos,
Though I have never met you or anyone else directly involved in the sad series of hurtful events you have been put through, I believe your account of these things. Only someone seriously deranged would continue to pursue justice in this matter if the events had not truly occurred. The fact that you have previously been open to the possibility of an out of court settlement likewise speaks in favor of the merit of your claims. Your primary interest does not appear to be financial gain. I have no doubt that in your pursuit of a just resolution you have already paid a heavy price financially, as well as emotionally and even in your physical health.
Your comments above are thoughtful and appear heartfelt. You give witness to your own character by refusing to give way to hateful speech regarding those who have treated you so terribly.
Assuming the validity of your claims, I am truly shocked that Fr. Velencia has been elected as the Washington Diocese's clergy delegate to the Metropolitan Council. Much more shocking was a section within the linked article which gave background to the case. In it you quote a letter written by Fr. Alexey Karlgut, whom you noted was acting on behalf of the national church:
Additionally, he wrote, "As to allegations of violation of ‘pastoral confidentiality’ it should be stated that in the teaching, Doctrine, and Canonical rules, regulations, and tribunal for internal discipline and government of the Orthodox Church no such concept exists.”
May God help us if such a belief is truly held by those in leadership within any Orthodox body.
May God bless you, Christine. While it is possible that you may never receive truly just treatment from those responsible for these shameful acts, may you be comforted in knowing that our Lord knows the truth, for He is the Truth. He watches, He hears, and He is just. May God have mercy on all of us.
Though I have never met you or anyone else directly involved in the sad series of hurtful events you have been put through, I believe your account of these things. Only someone seriously deranged would continue to pursue justice in this matter if the events had not truly occurred. The fact that you have previously been open to the possibility of an out of court settlement likewise speaks in favor of the merit of your claims. Your primary interest does not appear to be financial gain. I have no doubt that in your pursuit of a just resolution you have already paid a heavy price financially, as well as emotionally and even in your physical health.
Your comments above are thoughtful and appear heartfelt. You give witness to your own character by refusing to give way to hateful speech regarding those who have treated you so terribly.
Assuming the validity of your claims, I am truly shocked that Fr. Velencia has been elected as the Washington Diocese's clergy delegate to the Metropolitan Council. Much more shocking was a section within the linked article which gave background to the case. In it you quote a letter written by Fr. Alexey Karlgut, whom you noted was acting on behalf of the national church:
Additionally, he wrote, "As to allegations of violation of ‘pastoral confidentiality’ it should be stated that in the teaching, Doctrine, and Canonical rules, regulations, and tribunal for internal discipline and government of the Orthodox Church no such concept exists.”
May God help us if such a belief is truly held by those in leadership within any Orthodox body.
May God bless you, Christine. While it is possible that you may never receive truly just treatment from those responsible for these shameful acts, may you be comforted in knowing that our Lord knows the truth, for He is the Truth. He watches, He hears, and He is just. May God have mercy on all of us.
#18
an Orthodox sister in Christ
on
2009-09-18 14:05
Moses,
Has Alaska ever had a bishop that was 'native'? I agree, the best choice is someone who knows the people and the land and it seems like the clergy and laity of the diocese should have a say in who its bishop will be rather than one being foisted on them from elsewhere. Is this going to be another one of those non-conciliar decisions? The people have the final say, Axios or Anaxios, get together.
Has Alaska ever had a bishop that was 'native'? I agree, the best choice is someone who knows the people and the land and it seems like the clergy and laity of the diocese should have a say in who its bishop will be rather than one being foisted on them from elsewhere. Is this going to be another one of those non-conciliar decisions? The people have the final say, Axios or Anaxios, get together.
#19
Yanni
on
2009-09-18 15:27
Why would anyone consider making a priest who is even accused of violating the confidence of the Sacrament of Confession a member of the Metropolitan Council? I thought we were beyond promoting those who have messed up and committed these types of sins against the Church! Apparently, and sadly, I was wrong!
#20
David Barrett
on
2009-09-18 15:33
Hello Kristine,
I do find it very interesting that the diocse would elect Fr. Ray as a delegate for the metropolitan council with all that has gone on with him and you these past years.
That does strike me as bazaar.
This is a priest who is continually "fighting" for his good name. So I think it will only be when he is retired or passed on when he does not have to "fight" to keep his good name.
I think this is what is happening because he would have too much to lose if he did not "fight" for his good name; so becoming a representative on the metroplitan an council continues his own fight.
I don't doubt your pain and suffering. I also don't doubt a person who continually twists the story and puts the other in a corner.
We live in a fallen world, even amongst church folks; we found that out these past several years too, with RSK, and Theodosius and Herman. Not all of us are so fallen, and we all have degrees of shortcomings.
But this sounds over the top.
Fr. Ray is still running a church so he won't give up quietly; unless the courts do that for him.
Patty Schellbach
I do find it very interesting that the diocse would elect Fr. Ray as a delegate for the metropolitan council with all that has gone on with him and you these past years.
That does strike me as bazaar.
This is a priest who is continually "fighting" for his good name. So I think it will only be when he is retired or passed on when he does not have to "fight" to keep his good name.
I think this is what is happening because he would have too much to lose if he did not "fight" for his good name; so becoming a representative on the metroplitan an council continues his own fight.
I don't doubt your pain and suffering. I also don't doubt a person who continually twists the story and puts the other in a corner.
We live in a fallen world, even amongst church folks; we found that out these past several years too, with RSK, and Theodosius and Herman. Not all of us are so fallen, and we all have degrees of shortcomings.
But this sounds over the top.
Fr. Ray is still running a church so he won't give up quietly; unless the courts do that for him.
Patty Schellbach
#21
Patty Schellbach
on
2009-09-18 18:28
I was mortified when I read about the newest appointment to the Metropolitan Council.
Correct me if I'm wrong......doesn't Metropolitan Jonah have to sign off on this appointment?
The signing off on this "election" would certainly tell us much. It already tells me much about the diocese.
Anonymous
Correct me if I'm wrong......doesn't Metropolitan Jonah have to sign off on this appointment?
The signing off on this "election" would certainly tell us much. It already tells me much about the diocese.
Anonymous
#22
Anonymous
on
2009-09-19 06:32
Who is MP kidding?
Anne Glynn Mackool is an attorney.
MP is attempting to hold the St Valdimir's, and St Tikhon's seminaries hostage becaue of OCAnews, which the OCA has NO CONTROL OVER.
Pehaps it is truly time to hold MP and his goons hostage by CUTTING OFF THEIR FUNDS.
Maintain your same stewardship by sending the money to the seminary of your choice!
I do not know if I will ever send another nickel directly to Englewood. Certainly, I will not until there is a complete and thorough AUDIT and our Diocesan Bishops are allowed to function without any interferance whatsoever from MP.
Two or more may play at this game!
Anne Glynn Mackool is an attorney.
MP is attempting to hold the St Valdimir's, and St Tikhon's seminaries hostage becaue of OCAnews, which the OCA has NO CONTROL OVER.
Pehaps it is truly time to hold MP and his goons hostage by CUTTING OFF THEIR FUNDS.
Maintain your same stewardship by sending the money to the seminary of your choice!
I do not know if I will ever send another nickel directly to Englewood. Certainly, I will not until there is a complete and thorough AUDIT and our Diocesan Bishops are allowed to function without any interferance whatsoever from MP.
Two or more may play at this game!
#23
anonymous
on
2009-09-19 06:33
Alaska has not had an Indigenous Bishop, but at this point I think alot of us would just be happy with a kind, stable person of any background! Anyone with even the potential for cultish behavior is something Alaska doesn't need any more of. If you did a flow-chart of the web of relationships between many of these controversial characters, you would begin to see some astonishing patterns emerge (Platina, HOOM, CSB, "True" Orthodox Church of whatever, etc.) I would be curious to know whether this person proscribes to the extremist rhetoric of the Metropolitan that ordained him? Lord knows I have abandoned many of my previously held politcial beliefs! Just to stave off any weirdness: I am not halachially Jewish (grandpa was)and I am definitely not a Zionist, I just think that hate/fear mongering is not becoming of our Shepherds.
#24
Moses
on
2009-09-19 12:40
Indeed. Many of the Church's bishops didn’t have any years at all at St. Vladimir's.
#25
A Fellow Orthodox Christian
on
2009-09-19 14:31
I agree that the Diocese of Alaska ought to choose its own bishop (as indeed should every diocese). And, especially considering the damage Bp. Nikolai did in native communities, it would be wonderful if the people could put forth a qualified Alaskan, rather than have to seek in the Lower 48. But I doubt there is anyone who meets the academic requirement ("St. Vlad's!") that Fr. Gerasim is being castigated for lacking — because, if there were, I imagine we'd all have heard of him by now.
It would be nice to see someone making an actual suggestion for Alaska, or simply discussing Fr. Gerasim on the merits. I see no reason that he should be dismissed out of hand — rather than evaluated alongside others and questioned about anything that the flock thinks significant.
It would be nice to see someone making an actual suggestion for Alaska, or simply discussing Fr. Gerasim on the merits. I see no reason that he should be dismissed out of hand — rather than evaluated alongside others and questioned about anything that the flock thinks significant.
#26
A Fellow Orthodox Christian
on
2009-09-19 15:00
Mark: Substantive remarks to come in an email — but for the record let me say that, when you cut something out of people's texts, you ought to make it clear that you have done so. People sometimes use ellipsis points in their own writing; such that the above is not clear.
You ought to do something less usual — for example, setting your own, inserted, ellipses points in curly brackets: {...}
You ought to do something less usual — for example, setting your own, inserted, ellipses points in curly brackets: {...}
#27
A Fellow Orthodox Christian
on
2009-09-19 15:13
Play at what game? None of this seems like a game to me.
Mark at what point to we just give up on the OCA? With Herman's dismissal it seemed like we had a chance to find our way but that hope has nearly been extinguished for me.
Adding Father Ray to the MC with these allegations hanging over his head is a knucklehead move. Fr. Ray accepting to serve with the allegations hanging overhead is just as stupid. They both should realize that the OCA does not need this type of distraction.
While I have lived long enough to know that there is always two sides to any story it appears fairly obvious that much of what has been alleged in the Koumentakos case is true. That makes the appointment even more concerning. This appointment would be similar to the Governor of California appointing O.J. to the Council for the Prevention of Domestic Violence.
Anyway, I am beginning to shop for a non-OCA and non-Antiochian church. I had always held my priest in high regard but his refusal to be more outspoken on the mismanagement at the top of the OCA has made me lose respect and trust in him.
Lord have mercy on me a sinner and may He move quickly to heal His church.
(editor's note: To" give up " on the OCA, or any other jurisdiction, implies any of the others are better. I do not know that to be the case. I do know the OCA is trying to deal with its problems, however inchoately, and that is a step forward. My fear is that we are not dealing with it quickly, forthrightly or honestly enough, as witness the statement of a frequent contributor to this site: "Sunday morning at home is looking better and better." Bottom line is that my fear is not that people will go to other jurisdictions - it is that they will just stop going at all. Our Orthodox roots in this country are shallow; we cannot culturally coast here on the past as can our co-religionists. It makes our spiritual task more difficult - but at the same time ever fresh and rewarding. Face it, Orthodoxy in 2009 may be for the poor in spirit, but it is not for the faint of heart. )
Mark at what point to we just give up on the OCA? With Herman's dismissal it seemed like we had a chance to find our way but that hope has nearly been extinguished for me.
Adding Father Ray to the MC with these allegations hanging over his head is a knucklehead move. Fr. Ray accepting to serve with the allegations hanging overhead is just as stupid. They both should realize that the OCA does not need this type of distraction.
While I have lived long enough to know that there is always two sides to any story it appears fairly obvious that much of what has been alleged in the Koumentakos case is true. That makes the appointment even more concerning. This appointment would be similar to the Governor of California appointing O.J. to the Council for the Prevention of Domestic Violence.
Anyway, I am beginning to shop for a non-OCA and non-Antiochian church. I had always held my priest in high regard but his refusal to be more outspoken on the mismanagement at the top of the OCA has made me lose respect and trust in him.
Lord have mercy on me a sinner and may He move quickly to heal His church.
(editor's note: To" give up " on the OCA, or any other jurisdiction, implies any of the others are better. I do not know that to be the case. I do know the OCA is trying to deal with its problems, however inchoately, and that is a step forward. My fear is that we are not dealing with it quickly, forthrightly or honestly enough, as witness the statement of a frequent contributor to this site: "Sunday morning at home is looking better and better." Bottom line is that my fear is not that people will go to other jurisdictions - it is that they will just stop going at all. Our Orthodox roots in this country are shallow; we cannot culturally coast here on the past as can our co-religionists. It makes our spiritual task more difficult - but at the same time ever fresh and rewarding. Face it, Orthodoxy in 2009 may be for the poor in spirit, but it is not for the faint of heart. )
#28
Jerricho Aequitas
on
2009-09-19 18:20
"Gordon for bishop of Alaska? Jonah laid an egg on that one. This is the same Fr. Gerasim of Platina formerly of HOOM'S, formerly of CSB, now formerly of the Serbian Orthodox Church? This is the Abbot and monastery that harbors Fr. Herman Podmoshensky isn't it?"
Fr. Gerasim Eliel was never with HOOM, as far as I know. He was a student at UC Santa Cruz (along with Fr. Damascene Christensen and Met. Jonah Paffhausen) who came into Orthodoxy through the St. Herman of Alaska Monastery in Platina, California.
When Eliel converted, the monastery was in ROCOR and was under the direction of Herman (Gleb) Podmoshensky. Serious moral charges involving young men and boys were brought against Podmoshensky circa 1982. Podmoshensky was suspended by ROCOR pending an investigation into the charges. However, he continued to serve, and was defrocked in 1988 for disobedience, with no decision being made on the underlying charges.
Podmoshensky left ROCOR for the Archdiocese of Vasiloupolis, led by convicted pedophile Pangratios Vrionis, in the late 1980s. Eliel and Christensen were among those few who remained at Platina.
When the group came into the Serbian diocese in 2000, Eliel replaced Podmoshensky as abbot. What role Podmoshensky has played in the monastery since he relinquished his title is unclear, as is where exactly he is located. However, there are certainly indications that Podmoshensky retained his influence, if not his title.
http://pokrov.org/display.asp?ds=Article&id=571
Melanie Jula Sakoda
Fr. Gerasim Eliel was never with HOOM, as far as I know. He was a student at UC Santa Cruz (along with Fr. Damascene Christensen and Met. Jonah Paffhausen) who came into Orthodoxy through the St. Herman of Alaska Monastery in Platina, California.
When Eliel converted, the monastery was in ROCOR and was under the direction of Herman (Gleb) Podmoshensky. Serious moral charges involving young men and boys were brought against Podmoshensky circa 1982. Podmoshensky was suspended by ROCOR pending an investigation into the charges. However, he continued to serve, and was defrocked in 1988 for disobedience, with no decision being made on the underlying charges.
Podmoshensky left ROCOR for the Archdiocese of Vasiloupolis, led by convicted pedophile Pangratios Vrionis, in the late 1980s. Eliel and Christensen were among those few who remained at Platina.
When the group came into the Serbian diocese in 2000, Eliel replaced Podmoshensky as abbot. What role Podmoshensky has played in the monastery since he relinquished his title is unclear, as is where exactly he is located. However, there are certainly indications that Podmoshensky retained his influence, if not his title.
http://pokrov.org/display.asp?ds=Article&id=571
Melanie Jula Sakoda
"The signing off on this "election" would certainly tell us much. It already tells me much about the diocese."
The Statute of the OCA contains no language that the Metropolitan "signs off" on MC elections.
"Why would anyone consider making a priest who is even accused of violating the confidence of the Sacrament of Confession a member of the Metropolitan Council?"
David, and others, that is question for the people of the Diocese of Washington, who elected him to the MC, and not the "OCA".
The Statute of the OCA contains no language that the Metropolitan "signs off" on MC elections.
"Why would anyone consider making a priest who is even accused of violating the confidence of the Sacrament of Confession a member of the Metropolitan Council?"
David, and others, that is question for the people of the Diocese of Washington, who elected him to the MC, and not the "OCA".
#30
Michael Strelka
on
2009-09-20 06:19
Fr. Ray on the MC?
How about one of the parishes employ Fr. Kondratick?
Nice work there gang.
Sunday mornings at home sound better everyday.
How about one of the parishes employ Fr. Kondratick?
Nice work there gang.
Sunday mornings at home sound better everyday.
#31
Daniel E. Fall
on
2009-09-20 15:00
If you are speaking of 'Gordan', I don't believe that +Metropolitan Jonah ordained him, that was done by the Serbs or someone else. Or, are you speaking of another Metropolitan?
"Platina, HOOM, CSB, "True" Orthodox Church of whatever, etc." Yes, some odd relationships and situations have come out of these entities. I don't know about the fellow mentioned as being for Alaska, but I am sure that there will be other candidates for the position. Maybe you folks in Alaska need to start the ball rolling on your own, have candidates ready that you can accept.
"Platina, HOOM, CSB, "True" Orthodox Church of whatever, etc." Yes, some odd relationships and situations have come out of these entities. I don't know about the fellow mentioned as being for Alaska, but I am sure that there will be other candidates for the position. Maybe you folks in Alaska need to start the ball rolling on your own, have candidates ready that you can accept.
#32
Yanni
on
2009-09-20 16:21
"...His Beatitude and the Synod needs to...
Deposed Nicholai (Soraich)
Investigated and deposed Brum and Fester (if found implicated)
Enforced the Kondratick desposition and removed him from Venice
Retire Benjamin (Peterson)
Deposed Brittain
...until such actions are taken there is no real change; it is business as usual and you are not fooling anybody.
Clean house in the OCA!!!"
BRAVO!!! THANK YOU. Absolutely agree. Can anyone, who reads this website, and has access to Met.Jonah, bring his attention to this??? Mark, can you please??? And thank you, Mark, for keeping this website up.
Abbot Gerasim as Bishop will be a blessing for DOS! Fester and his friends do not want Abbot here...
Lord, have mercy on our beloved church!
Deposed Nicholai (Soraich)
Investigated and deposed Brum and Fester (if found implicated)
Enforced the Kondratick desposition and removed him from Venice
Retire Benjamin (Peterson)
Deposed Brittain
...until such actions are taken there is no real change; it is business as usual and you are not fooling anybody.
Clean house in the OCA!!!"
BRAVO!!! THANK YOU. Absolutely agree. Can anyone, who reads this website, and has access to Met.Jonah, bring his attention to this??? Mark, can you please??? And thank you, Mark, for keeping this website up.
Abbot Gerasim as Bishop will be a blessing for DOS! Fester and his friends do not want Abbot here...
Lord, have mercy on our beloved church!
#33
Dallas Observer
on
2009-09-20 17:02
‘Face it, Orthodoxy in 2009 may be for the poor in spirit, but it is not for the faint of heart.’
Hasn’t it ever been thus? After all, didn’t someone say that the line between good and evil lies through the human heart of each of us?
As the old union song says: Which side are you on boys, which side are you on?
Rdr James
Hasn’t it ever been thus? After all, didn’t someone say that the line between good and evil lies through the human heart of each of us?
As the old union song says: Which side are you on boys, which side are you on?
Rdr James
#34
James Morgan
on
2009-09-20 18:07
I can not fathom why the Diocese of Washington elected Fr. Valencia to the MC?! Can someone enlighten us? I guess it just goes to show that while there are many reform minded people in the D of W, there are still way too many committed to preserving the "old way" of doing things. And by the way, what role did Metropolitan Jonah play in this selection?
As to your point about where to spend Sunday mornings--I couldn't agree more! Of course, if one is fortunate enough to find oneself in a healthy parish with the right focus and values, then continued participation is certainly viable. In that regard, many people in the Midwest are especially fortunate, since many of the parochial clergy are a cut above the norm, and the diocese is headed by a bishop who at least tolerates dissent and reform.
But who in their right mind would go to a Father Valencia for confession? Or who would go to any unknown priest when the OCA places no value on the confidentiality of confession? Are we still copying the KGB on any interesting tidbits?
Then there is Florida and Oregon, and probably other places as well, where defrocked clergy are continuing to serve at a parish level. Not to mention the continued appointment and promotion of individuals who have been implicated in past scandals and failed leadership. Does it ever end?
Well, for many us it has already ended--as far as active participation and financial support is concerned. But it has not ended as our critics may have hoped--we have not left the Church, but rather we have abandoned for now its institutional structures. It sort of sounds like the beginnings of the monastic movement!
Or maybe even like a guerrilla army that will never surrender or quit until the battle is won.
KRT
As to your point about where to spend Sunday mornings--I couldn't agree more! Of course, if one is fortunate enough to find oneself in a healthy parish with the right focus and values, then continued participation is certainly viable. In that regard, many people in the Midwest are especially fortunate, since many of the parochial clergy are a cut above the norm, and the diocese is headed by a bishop who at least tolerates dissent and reform.
But who in their right mind would go to a Father Valencia for confession? Or who would go to any unknown priest when the OCA places no value on the confidentiality of confession? Are we still copying the KGB on any interesting tidbits?
Then there is Florida and Oregon, and probably other places as well, where defrocked clergy are continuing to serve at a parish level. Not to mention the continued appointment and promotion of individuals who have been implicated in past scandals and failed leadership. Does it ever end?
Well, for many us it has already ended--as far as active participation and financial support is concerned. But it has not ended as our critics may have hoped--we have not left the Church, but rather we have abandoned for now its institutional structures. It sort of sounds like the beginnings of the monastic movement!
Or maybe even like a guerrilla army that will never surrender or quit until the battle is won.KRT
#35
Kenneth R. Tobin
on
2009-09-21 06:10
Mr Fall,
If you don't like what a parish in Venice, FL is doing and who they are employing, why don't you take it up with them directly instead of blathering here. I am sure the good people in Venice and Mr. Kondratick would love to show you what a growing parish in south Florida looks like.
If you don't like what a parish in Venice, FL is doing and who they are employing, why don't you take it up with them directly instead of blathering here. I am sure the good people in Venice and Mr. Kondratick would love to show you what a growing parish in south Florida looks like.
#36
Anonymous
on
2009-09-21 07:15
Mr. Moses, come on back to Alaska and get involved! Better yet go to Platina and see what is there. They will let you visit(it is not Jonestown). At least then I would feel that your comments are based on something. Right now I just get the feeling you are being cynical just to have something to say.
By the way, I thought your cynicism was rather good when Nicholai was the subject, but back then I assumed you were in the center of the life of the church in Alaska, and I thought you must have personal experience. Now I have to wonder because I have met both men, Father Gerasim and the other one and there is absolutely no comparison. One will speak to you in a loving, caring, and interested way and the other only tries to make you feel small. One seems to genuinely love Alaska and the other was stepping on our heads to reach a higher office. I do not want to single out anyone in particular but it is frustrating to be here without a bishop and not to have any discussion being put forth by Alaskans. I know everyone is busy trying to survive their own problems and there doesn’t seem to be anyone willing to contact all of the parishes with ideas for our future.
Right now every candidate is attacked, but none of the priests, church councils, elders, starastas, or diocesan council members are held the least bit accountable for lack of effort. If a group of all of these people throughout the state would get into action and put their heads together the chances are some worthy candidate would be discovered. At least a group like this could request Father Gerasim, or maybe someone else, visit Alaska and meet with us. As far as I know there are no discussions taking place. And if they are then our parish is not being included. I truly believe the only reason for Abbot Gerasim to attend St. Vlad's is to appease those who feel that that will have a magic effect on his abilities. I think he has the ability already. If he didn't seminary education wouldn't matter.
Forgive me for addressing this in a rather personal way and now I am ready for you to set me straight on any of these comments that are unfair or untrue. Keep praying for all Orthodox Christians and please include me in your prayers for I know it is needed.
By the way, I thought your cynicism was rather good when Nicholai was the subject, but back then I assumed you were in the center of the life of the church in Alaska, and I thought you must have personal experience. Now I have to wonder because I have met both men, Father Gerasim and the other one and there is absolutely no comparison. One will speak to you in a loving, caring, and interested way and the other only tries to make you feel small. One seems to genuinely love Alaska and the other was stepping on our heads to reach a higher office. I do not want to single out anyone in particular but it is frustrating to be here without a bishop and not to have any discussion being put forth by Alaskans. I know everyone is busy trying to survive their own problems and there doesn’t seem to be anyone willing to contact all of the parishes with ideas for our future.
Right now every candidate is attacked, but none of the priests, church councils, elders, starastas, or diocesan council members are held the least bit accountable for lack of effort. If a group of all of these people throughout the state would get into action and put their heads together the chances are some worthy candidate would be discovered. At least a group like this could request Father Gerasim, or maybe someone else, visit Alaska and meet with us. As far as I know there are no discussions taking place. And if they are then our parish is not being included. I truly believe the only reason for Abbot Gerasim to attend St. Vlad's is to appease those who feel that that will have a magic effect on his abilities. I think he has the ability already. If he didn't seminary education wouldn't matter.
Forgive me for addressing this in a rather personal way and now I am ready for you to set me straight on any of these comments that are unfair or untrue. Keep praying for all Orthodox Christians and please include me in your prayers for I know it is needed.
#37
Alaskan Looking for Humility
on
2009-09-21 11:09
Looking for name as a possible episcopal candidate? Indeed he may lack experience but he is not tainted; he proved Christian integrity under pressure - Paul Sidebottom. Ask Alaskans, he respected and loved them for the Gospel's sake.
#38
ANONYMOUS
on
2009-09-21 21:46
Venice must have, what, a million members by now?
Ah, growth! The single criterion of the Met. Philip years, and the end that justifies any means.
I'll be up for having the Venice parish show me what a growing parish looks like when they can show me what a repentant Robert Kondratick looks like. A cassock, for example, should not be in the picture. Nor a $25 million lawsuit against a Church whose financial history vanished into his office shredder.
Is common sense so much to ask for?
Ah, growth! The single criterion of the Met. Philip years, and the end that justifies any means.
I'll be up for having the Venice parish show me what a growing parish looks like when they can show me what a repentant Robert Kondratick looks like. A cassock, for example, should not be in the picture. Nor a $25 million lawsuit against a Church whose financial history vanished into his office shredder.
Is common sense so much to ask for?
#39
A Fellow Orthodox Christian
on
2009-09-22 00:23
He hired Fester and Brum !
Met with Kondratick numerous amounts of times and Nikolai is gone , so flip the record and get a clue !!!
Next to go hopefully is Stokoe !!!
Met with Kondratick numerous amounts of times and Nikolai is gone , so flip the record and get a clue !!!
Next to go hopefully is Stokoe !!!
#40
Anonymous
on
2009-09-22 01:47
re: your comment about who would go to a Fr. Velencia for confession....
Either they don't know him well enough to know how he operates/don't know my case
or
THEY DO KNOW and they either do not go to confession or THEY DO GO and they think what happened to me could never happen to them because they have a special relationship with him (and yes, people at St. Matthew with whom I used to be close, I AM TALKING TO YOU!) or because of their dependence on him for whatever reason and their denial is so deep that they cannot acknowledge the truth (again, YES, I AM TALKING TO YOU). I think I should know...because the people in this latter group? I was one of them for many years.
Wake up.
Fr. Velencia should be disciplined for what he did. There is no excuse or justification for what he did. Although Fr. Velencia had already violated my privacy by telling church membes and St. Matthew House Board members confidential information about my history, the OCA could have stopped him from further disclosing that info if they had intervened when I reported the earlier misconduct in Jan 2007 (his infamous letter did go out over the internet until fall 2007).
There are no "false allegations" here, as the central administration seems to be worried about as they discuss changes to the misconduct policy. Even if they look at no other piece of information, they all got that letter personally, via an email from Fr. Velencia himself.
Their inaction says one thing. They condone what he did.
That means it will happen again.
It also means they do not care about what happened to me and my family in the process, but, hey, I should stop whining, move on, right?
Kristine Patico Koumentakos
Either they don't know him well enough to know how he operates/don't know my case
or
THEY DO KNOW and they either do not go to confession or THEY DO GO and they think what happened to me could never happen to them because they have a special relationship with him (and yes, people at St. Matthew with whom I used to be close, I AM TALKING TO YOU!) or because of their dependence on him for whatever reason and their denial is so deep that they cannot acknowledge the truth (again, YES, I AM TALKING TO YOU). I think I should know...because the people in this latter group? I was one of them for many years.
Wake up.
Fr. Velencia should be disciplined for what he did. There is no excuse or justification for what he did. Although Fr. Velencia had already violated my privacy by telling church membes and St. Matthew House Board members confidential information about my history, the OCA could have stopped him from further disclosing that info if they had intervened when I reported the earlier misconduct in Jan 2007 (his infamous letter did go out over the internet until fall 2007).
There are no "false allegations" here, as the central administration seems to be worried about as they discuss changes to the misconduct policy. Even if they look at no other piece of information, they all got that letter personally, via an email from Fr. Velencia himself.
Their inaction says one thing. They condone what he did.
That means it will happen again.
It also means they do not care about what happened to me and my family in the process, but, hey, I should stop whining, move on, right?
Kristine Patico Koumentakos
#41
Anonymous
on
2009-09-22 04:34
Yes, it would be great if the people in Alaska started their own search process. Come up with three good, strong candidates, and it will be hard for anyone to argue against them.
As far as a seminary education goes, shouldn't sanctity be the guiding value, as opposed to a thorough theological education? Most of our greatest saints (Basil, John Chrysostom, the Gregorys, etc.) never attended seminary. A thoroughly trained monk seems like he'd be at least as well qualified as a secularly trained priest, on the basis of education anyway. And since I frequently read the criticism on these pages that our bishops aren't "true" monks, inaccurate thought that criticism be, it seems we ought at a minimum to applaud the candidacy of someone who is.
(editor's note: To say that none of the aforementioned fathers attended a seminary is anachronistic. Seminaries did not exist in those days. They all, however, studied professionally with leading rhetors of their day, as well as with Christian leaders, combining the best secular and religious education available in their day. We should require no less. )
As far as a seminary education goes, shouldn't sanctity be the guiding value, as opposed to a thorough theological education? Most of our greatest saints (Basil, John Chrysostom, the Gregorys, etc.) never attended seminary. A thoroughly trained monk seems like he'd be at least as well qualified as a secularly trained priest, on the basis of education anyway. And since I frequently read the criticism on these pages that our bishops aren't "true" monks, inaccurate thought that criticism be, it seems we ought at a minimum to applaud the candidacy of someone who is.
(editor's note: To say that none of the aforementioned fathers attended a seminary is anachronistic. Seminaries did not exist in those days. They all, however, studied professionally with leading rhetors of their day, as well as with Christian leaders, combining the best secular and religious education available in their day. We should require no less. )
#42
Morton
on
2009-09-22 06:26
I do live in Alaska, on my clans sacred homeland! I agree with you that the apathy and fear is a lasting legacy of the OCA's "stewardship" (I gag as I say that) here in Alaska, and people could be alot more involved. Having said that, fear and apathy are a problem in our (Indigenous) communties overall, this is also a legacy of colonialism; we put up with far too much from the settler population and from the neo-colonial agents in our communities. Lastly, have you not read/researched the myriad of concerns about this person? Do some research, man...go to Pokrov.org, talk to Cappy and others, research the crypto-Nazi that ordained him, etc. Ignorance is as bad as apathy. I don't know how things are in your parish, but here no one seems to trust each other, as the informants still walk among us, etc. It is going to be a long, long time until things go back to "normal" here. In the mean time, my faith is doing just fine...
#43
Moses
on
2009-09-22 09:28
November 11, 1995
OBITUARY: Metropolitan Ioann*
By FELIX CORLEY
Metropolitan Ioann of St Petersburg and Ladoga was the Orthodox bishop Russia's liberals loved to hate. Reactionary and xenophobic, he became almost a caricature of an elderly, crotchety cleric, fulminating against Catholics, Caucasians, Jews, Protestants, Freemasons, foreigners, the Mafia, pedlars of pornography and anyone else he could find to blame for the ills now afflicting the Russian Church and society. But his simple and blunt views struck a chord with many in Russia.
Ioann was born Ivan Snychev in 1927 into a peasant family in the village of Novo-Mayachka, near Kherson in southern Russia. His parents were not particularly religious, although - before the persecution of the Church - they went to church on feast days. Growing up without God, Ivan suffered at the thought that life had no purpose. In spring 1943, in the midst of the Second World War, some devout old women began gathering regularly in a hut in his village. The young Ivan went along to these meetings, which had a deep influence on him, and later claimed to have come to a realisation of faith in August 1943, on the feast day of St Serafim of Sarov.
He was called up by the Soviet army in November 1944, but after a few months was released on grounds of health, and having decided to enter the Church, became sacristan of a church in Buzuluk, near Orenburg. He became a lay brother under the guidance of Bishop Manuil Lemeshevsky of Orenburg, who ordained him deacon in 1946 and priest in 1948.
In September 1948, as Manuil was sent into a second period of internal exile, Ioann entered the Saratov seminary, from which he graduated First Class. From 1951 to 1955 he studied at the Leningrad Theological Academy. In October 1956 - by now a teacher of homiletics at the Minsk seminary - he took up the monastic profession, later becoming an archimandrite (an abbot). In 1957 Bishop Manuil, freed from exile and appointed to the Cheboksary diocese, summoned Ioann to join him and the two of them worked together on gathering material on the history of the Church's dioceses and hierarchs. In 1959 Ioann returned briefly to teach in the Saratov seminary, before returning to parish work when it was closed in Nikita Khrushchev's anti- religious crusade of 1959-64.
Encouraged by Manuil, Ioann finally completed his thesis at the Zagorsk Theological Academy in 1966, on the politically delicate subject of the schisms in the Russian Orthodox Church in the 1920s and 1930s. The thesis, which was made available to foreign scholars by the Moscow Patriarchate in the 1960s, shed light on the intricate disputes within the Church at that time, especially over Patriarch Sergei's controversial 1927 declaration of loyalty to the Soviet regime.
In 1965 Ioann was consecrated bishop of Syzran and assistant bishop of Kuibyshev, in 1969 was appointed bishop, and was upgraded to archbishop in 1976. From 1972 he also headed the Cheboksary diocese. Ioann did all he could as a bishop to resist the restrictions placed on the Church by the Soviet authorities. In one incident he enraged local officials of the Council for Religious Affairs, the government body that controlled religious groups, by adding a cupola to a church without permission. "He demanded it be taken down or demolished," Ioann later recalled, "I told him it was too sturdy for that. His reply was, 'Well, we'll send a tank to shoot it down.' In the end we were allowed to keep it there."
When the present Patriarch Alexy, then Metropolitan of Leningrad, was elected to head the Orthodox Church in June 1990 in the wake of Patriarch Pimen's death, Ioann was appointed to Russia's second most important diocese in his place. Ioann's reputation as a bishop who had resisted state demands helped his appointment. However, Alexy was soon to regret this promotion of Ioann to such a prominent position, as the Metropolitan increasingly voiced his conservative political and religious views in the press and on television and sponsored a range of extreme nationalist publications.
In February 1993 he wrote an article in Sovetskaya Rossiya, a leading conservative paper, warning of a "dirty war" against Russia. He used extensive quotes from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a Tsarist-era anti-Semitic fabrication, which alleged that there was a Jewish plot to take over the world. Ioann complained that "alien peoples and creeds were determined to put to death our moral and religious way of life". No sooner had the Russians shaken off a Jewish-Masonic plot in the shape of Marxism-Leninism, Ioann believed, than they were subjected to a new tyranny of criminals, corrupt officials and democrats. In another interview he put forward the argument that the last Tsar, Nicholas II, should be canonised, because he had died as a "ritual victim" of the Jews. He petitioned the mayor of St Petersburg, Anatoly Sobchak, to ban foreign missionaries from the city. From his residence on Kamenny Island in St Petersburg, Ioann defended the parliamentary opponents of President Yeltsin in 1993, declaring that they were trying to "save Russia", although he had opposed the 1991 Moscow coup attempt.
While many church figures were privately embarrassed by Ioann's crude views, few stepped forward to criticise him, perhaps mindful that there were many in the country who shared the Metropolitan's disillusion at the poverty, corruption and lawlessness of the new Russia. In January 1993 Patriarch Alexy had quietly issued a directive banning Ioann from publishing his views in the Moscow patriarchate's publications, but feared that if he took further action, Ioann might defect to the Free Orthodox Church, which was closely allied to hard-line nationalists. Others were not so reticent. The rabbi of Moscow, Adolf Shayevich, condemned Ioann's "blatant anti-Semitism", as did the Orthodox priest and parliamentary deputy Gleb Yakunin, who spoke of Ioann's "Fascist ideology".
The post-Soviet era has been difficult for the Russian Orthodox Church, which feels its place at the heart of the Russian nation has been ignored and, at the same time, threatened by well-financed missionaries. But the disagreements between Metropolitan Ioann, an opponent of Communism, later a conservative and anti-Semite, and Patriarch Alexy, who worked closely with the Soviet authorities and the KGB and who is now a liberal, have done little to raise the Church's prestige. Few have savoured the irony.
Felix Corley
Ivan Matveyevich Snychev, priest: born Novo-Mayachka, Russia 9 October 1927; ordained deacon with the religious name Ioann 1946, priest 1948; Bishop of Syzran 1965-69; Bishop of Kuibyshev 1969-76, Archbishop 1976- 90; Archbishop of Leningrad / St Petersburg 1990-95; died St Petersburg 2 November 1995.
*From the Independent
OBITUARY: Metropolitan Ioann*
By FELIX CORLEY
Metropolitan Ioann of St Petersburg and Ladoga was the Orthodox bishop Russia's liberals loved to hate. Reactionary and xenophobic, he became almost a caricature of an elderly, crotchety cleric, fulminating against Catholics, Caucasians, Jews, Protestants, Freemasons, foreigners, the Mafia, pedlars of pornography and anyone else he could find to blame for the ills now afflicting the Russian Church and society. But his simple and blunt views struck a chord with many in Russia.
Ioann was born Ivan Snychev in 1927 into a peasant family in the village of Novo-Mayachka, near Kherson in southern Russia. His parents were not particularly religious, although - before the persecution of the Church - they went to church on feast days. Growing up without God, Ivan suffered at the thought that life had no purpose. In spring 1943, in the midst of the Second World War, some devout old women began gathering regularly in a hut in his village. The young Ivan went along to these meetings, which had a deep influence on him, and later claimed to have come to a realisation of faith in August 1943, on the feast day of St Serafim of Sarov.
He was called up by the Soviet army in November 1944, but after a few months was released on grounds of health, and having decided to enter the Church, became sacristan of a church in Buzuluk, near Orenburg. He became a lay brother under the guidance of Bishop Manuil Lemeshevsky of Orenburg, who ordained him deacon in 1946 and priest in 1948.
In September 1948, as Manuil was sent into a second period of internal exile, Ioann entered the Saratov seminary, from which he graduated First Class. From 1951 to 1955 he studied at the Leningrad Theological Academy. In October 1956 - by now a teacher of homiletics at the Minsk seminary - he took up the monastic profession, later becoming an archimandrite (an abbot). In 1957 Bishop Manuil, freed from exile and appointed to the Cheboksary diocese, summoned Ioann to join him and the two of them worked together on gathering material on the history of the Church's dioceses and hierarchs. In 1959 Ioann returned briefly to teach in the Saratov seminary, before returning to parish work when it was closed in Nikita Khrushchev's anti- religious crusade of 1959-64.
Encouraged by Manuil, Ioann finally completed his thesis at the Zagorsk Theological Academy in 1966, on the politically delicate subject of the schisms in the Russian Orthodox Church in the 1920s and 1930s. The thesis, which was made available to foreign scholars by the Moscow Patriarchate in the 1960s, shed light on the intricate disputes within the Church at that time, especially over Patriarch Sergei's controversial 1927 declaration of loyalty to the Soviet regime.
In 1965 Ioann was consecrated bishop of Syzran and assistant bishop of Kuibyshev, in 1969 was appointed bishop, and was upgraded to archbishop in 1976. From 1972 he also headed the Cheboksary diocese. Ioann did all he could as a bishop to resist the restrictions placed on the Church by the Soviet authorities. In one incident he enraged local officials of the Council for Religious Affairs, the government body that controlled religious groups, by adding a cupola to a church without permission. "He demanded it be taken down or demolished," Ioann later recalled, "I told him it was too sturdy for that. His reply was, 'Well, we'll send a tank to shoot it down.' In the end we were allowed to keep it there."
When the present Patriarch Alexy, then Metropolitan of Leningrad, was elected to head the Orthodox Church in June 1990 in the wake of Patriarch Pimen's death, Ioann was appointed to Russia's second most important diocese in his place. Ioann's reputation as a bishop who had resisted state demands helped his appointment. However, Alexy was soon to regret this promotion of Ioann to such a prominent position, as the Metropolitan increasingly voiced his conservative political and religious views in the press and on television and sponsored a range of extreme nationalist publications.
In February 1993 he wrote an article in Sovetskaya Rossiya, a leading conservative paper, warning of a "dirty war" against Russia. He used extensive quotes from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a Tsarist-era anti-Semitic fabrication, which alleged that there was a Jewish plot to take over the world. Ioann complained that "alien peoples and creeds were determined to put to death our moral and religious way of life". No sooner had the Russians shaken off a Jewish-Masonic plot in the shape of Marxism-Leninism, Ioann believed, than they were subjected to a new tyranny of criminals, corrupt officials and democrats. In another interview he put forward the argument that the last Tsar, Nicholas II, should be canonised, because he had died as a "ritual victim" of the Jews. He petitioned the mayor of St Petersburg, Anatoly Sobchak, to ban foreign missionaries from the city. From his residence on Kamenny Island in St Petersburg, Ioann defended the parliamentary opponents of President Yeltsin in 1993, declaring that they were trying to "save Russia", although he had opposed the 1991 Moscow coup attempt.
While many church figures were privately embarrassed by Ioann's crude views, few stepped forward to criticise him, perhaps mindful that there were many in the country who shared the Metropolitan's disillusion at the poverty, corruption and lawlessness of the new Russia. In January 1993 Patriarch Alexy had quietly issued a directive banning Ioann from publishing his views in the Moscow patriarchate's publications, but feared that if he took further action, Ioann might defect to the Free Orthodox Church, which was closely allied to hard-line nationalists. Others were not so reticent. The rabbi of Moscow, Adolf Shayevich, condemned Ioann's "blatant anti-Semitism", as did the Orthodox priest and parliamentary deputy Gleb Yakunin, who spoke of Ioann's "Fascist ideology".
The post-Soviet era has been difficult for the Russian Orthodox Church, which feels its place at the heart of the Russian nation has been ignored and, at the same time, threatened by well-financed missionaries. But the disagreements between Metropolitan Ioann, an opponent of Communism, later a conservative and anti-Semite, and Patriarch Alexy, who worked closely with the Soviet authorities and the KGB and who is now a liberal, have done little to raise the Church's prestige. Few have savoured the irony.
Felix Corley
Ivan Matveyevich Snychev, priest: born Novo-Mayachka, Russia 9 October 1927; ordained deacon with the religious name Ioann 1946, priest 1948; Bishop of Syzran 1965-69; Bishop of Kuibyshev 1969-76, Archbishop 1976- 90; Archbishop of Leningrad / St Petersburg 1990-95; died St Petersburg 2 November 1995.
*From the Independent
#44
Moses
on
2009-09-22 09:32
I'm one of the faithful in Oregon, and I can affirm that Bishop Benjamin is well loved in our parish.
I think if one were to poll the Diocese, the results would be the same, not that it matters, as the Church is not a democracy.
Retire your own bishop. Leave ours alone.
I think if one were to poll the Diocese, the results would be the same, not that it matters, as the Church is not a democracy.
Retire your own bishop. Leave ours alone.
#45
Scott Walker
on
2009-09-22 10:16
Especially during football season, Daniel.
#46
Scott Walker
on
2009-09-22 10:28
I second that!
#47
anonymous
on
2009-09-22 10:41
Mr Tobin,
It is interesting to note that you and Mr. Fall seem to have given up being members of parishes because you don't like the way the church is being run. Yet, a man like Mr. Kondratick, who has every reason to tell church leadership to "stick it where the sun don't shine" still goes to church. Still encourages people to pursue the Orthodox faith and helps, along with the other lay members of his parish, to create a welcoming community. I wonder who is actually doing more to build up the Church? You watchdogs or this defrocked cleric?
Yes, Mr. Kondratick is being paid to clean toilets, vacuum carpets, mop floors, run and errands for the priests who serve in Venice. He also works side by side with the other members of the parish to help raise the necessary funds to expand the church because they have no more room in the church (and these are the summer months).
And, no matter how much you try and vent your spline here, know this, Mr. Kondratick is a happy man. He is at peace with where God has placed him. He does not care about what you think of him nor your vengeful predisposition toward him. As much as you try, you will never be able to exact your pound of flesh from him. So it is really up to you if you wish to fight your "guerrilla" action. I am sure it will keep you busy, I just wonder if, in the end, how God will judge your works. I pray he will be merciful to you and all of us.
(editor's note: It appears kondratick's idea of "pursuing the Orthodox church is more like a lion seeking whom he may devour, since in addition to your claim he is "cleaning toilets" ( RSK cleaning toilets? Please, have you ever met him?) he is also suing the OCA in at least two lawsuits. You assertions are more akin to a looking glass world where right is wrong, and wrong is right, rather than the real world where he is doing nothing but harm to an organization he claimed for so long he loved, even as he diverting its funds...)
It is interesting to note that you and Mr. Fall seem to have given up being members of parishes because you don't like the way the church is being run. Yet, a man like Mr. Kondratick, who has every reason to tell church leadership to "stick it where the sun don't shine" still goes to church. Still encourages people to pursue the Orthodox faith and helps, along with the other lay members of his parish, to create a welcoming community. I wonder who is actually doing more to build up the Church? You watchdogs or this defrocked cleric?
Yes, Mr. Kondratick is being paid to clean toilets, vacuum carpets, mop floors, run and errands for the priests who serve in Venice. He also works side by side with the other members of the parish to help raise the necessary funds to expand the church because they have no more room in the church (and these are the summer months).
And, no matter how much you try and vent your spline here, know this, Mr. Kondratick is a happy man. He is at peace with where God has placed him. He does not care about what you think of him nor your vengeful predisposition toward him. As much as you try, you will never be able to exact your pound of flesh from him. So it is really up to you if you wish to fight your "guerrilla" action. I am sure it will keep you busy, I just wonder if, in the end, how God will judge your works. I pray he will be merciful to you and all of us.
(editor's note: It appears kondratick's idea of "pursuing the Orthodox church is more like a lion seeking whom he may devour, since in addition to your claim he is "cleaning toilets" ( RSK cleaning toilets? Please, have you ever met him?) he is also suing the OCA in at least two lawsuits. You assertions are more akin to a looking glass world where right is wrong, and wrong is right, rather than the real world where he is doing nothing but harm to an organization he claimed for so long he loved, even as he diverting its funds...)
#48
Anonymous
on
2009-09-22 10:51
Just because it appears to be financiallly and numerically successful, does not mean that it is spiritually successful. The Metropolitan and Bishop of the South and the Synod are not doing what it good for the Orthodox Church when it allows all of the above to continue.
#49
cbsinn@comcast.net
on
2009-09-22 10:52
If the parish in Venice wishes to operate under full autonomy they should join the Southern Baptists or such other independent or "congregational" denomination. So long as they are affiliated with the OCA under the DOS they must follow Church order. If anything such attitude reflects how harmful it is for them to have Kondratick around posing as a supra-canonical priest.
About the alleged parish growth, the Most Holy Spirit can, if so choosing, grow any parish. However, such growth is not to be attributed as a 'Quid Pro Quo' to aiding and abiding a criminal. Why assume that harboring the criminal is the reason why the parish is growing? And if such is the case what kind of growth is that? There is no amount of numeric growth that excuses the condoning or escaping justice of Kondratick, Brum, Fester, Nicholai et al. Furthermore, these gang operated for years and brought no growth to the OCA. On the contrary, many people left because of the crooks and many innocent souls were deeply wounded and hurt. Not to mention the allegation that they stole from orphans and the needy to feed their lavish lifestyles.
If the parish is not straight ("Orthodox") its growth is crooked. Such seems to be the fate of the OCA at large, because her leaders refuse to undertake the real work towards straightening the OCA tree.
If His Beatitude and the Synod care to restore our OCA to health they must:
Depose Nicholai (Soraich)
Investigate and depose Brum and Fester (if found implicated)
Enforced the Kondratick deposition and remove him from Venice
Retire Benjamin (Peterson)....
Depose Brittain
...until such actions are taken there is no real change; it is business as usual and you are not fooling anybody.
No more white-washing... lets Clean House in the OCA!
About the alleged parish growth, the Most Holy Spirit can, if so choosing, grow any parish. However, such growth is not to be attributed as a 'Quid Pro Quo' to aiding and abiding a criminal. Why assume that harboring the criminal is the reason why the parish is growing? And if such is the case what kind of growth is that? There is no amount of numeric growth that excuses the condoning or escaping justice of Kondratick, Brum, Fester, Nicholai et al. Furthermore, these gang operated for years and brought no growth to the OCA. On the contrary, many people left because of the crooks and many innocent souls were deeply wounded and hurt. Not to mention the allegation that they stole from orphans and the needy to feed their lavish lifestyles.
If the parish is not straight ("Orthodox") its growth is crooked. Such seems to be the fate of the OCA at large, because her leaders refuse to undertake the real work towards straightening the OCA tree.
If His Beatitude and the Synod care to restore our OCA to health they must:
Depose Nicholai (Soraich)
Investigate and depose Brum and Fester (if found implicated)
Enforced the Kondratick deposition and remove him from Venice
Retire Benjamin (Peterson)....
Depose Brittain
...until such actions are taken there is no real change; it is business as usual and you are not fooling anybody.
No more white-washing... lets Clean House in the OCA!
#50
Peritus Canonicus -volatilis quod iustus
on
2009-09-22 11:00
Of course it is, and they did; you make my point for me. Some of those rhetors lived in monasteries, especially after the secular schools were closed in the early sixth century. It is still possible to receive an excellent education, theological and otherwise, in a monastery--depending, of course, on which monastery. And that was my larger point. Instead of looking to see whether a person attended St. Vlad's, or for some other individual detail, take a look at a person's entire training and spiritual path. An MDiv is a very thin credential for a bishop if that's all there is. For that matter, it's a pretty thin credential for a priest if that's all there is. I wouldn't belabor the point, except that we have a tendency in our society to reduce qualifications to data points and miss the many important qualities that can't be quantified: compassion; wisdom; sanctity; charity; the ability to inspire; true humility.
#51
Morton
on
2009-09-22 12:52
Article on the evolution of the Platina/Hoom/CSB et. al crowd:
http://www.sfweekly.com/1999-12-22/news/awkward-christian-soldiers/1
http://www.sfweekly.com/1999-12-22/news/awkward-christian-soldiers/1
#52
Moses
on
2009-09-22 13:02
And to your comment, Mr. Editor,
Indeed lawsuits have been filed. Is not this the right of every person who feels he has been falsely accused or maligned. Are you saying that he should not sue because you think him guilty. Remember, he was deposed but that does not mean he does not have remaining rights inside and outside the Church. He is exercising the same rights afforded to Ms. Kristine Patico Koumentakos.
Your court of public opinion here has deemed Ms Koumentakos a victim, she will have her day in court to prove her case. You have given your verdict before, during and after the disposition of Fr. Kondratick, which was a consistent guilty. Now, it will be up to the courts, not you or anyone else who writes here, to decide the facts of his case since the Church handled the case in great haste exposing itself to great legal jeopardy. And please don't take my word for it, do your research and listen to JP and AM.
The clock is ticking on how much money the Church will spend and eventually lose by pursing these suits; while all the time you and other MC member thump your chests in grand self-righteousness.
(Editor's note: Grand self-righteousness? Chest thumping? Your experience of the Metropolitan Council is distorted at best, a cartoon at worst. The more I am with these people the more impressed I am with the talents, faith of these people, and the determination to offer their time to assist in the effort to lead the OCA out of morass RSK and his minions placed it in. As for the lawsuits, let me just paraphrase John Donne: Ask not for whom the clock ticks - it ticks for thee....)
Indeed lawsuits have been filed. Is not this the right of every person who feels he has been falsely accused or maligned. Are you saying that he should not sue because you think him guilty. Remember, he was deposed but that does not mean he does not have remaining rights inside and outside the Church. He is exercising the same rights afforded to Ms. Kristine Patico Koumentakos.
Your court of public opinion here has deemed Ms Koumentakos a victim, she will have her day in court to prove her case. You have given your verdict before, during and after the disposition of Fr. Kondratick, which was a consistent guilty. Now, it will be up to the courts, not you or anyone else who writes here, to decide the facts of his case since the Church handled the case in great haste exposing itself to great legal jeopardy. And please don't take my word for it, do your research and listen to JP and AM.
The clock is ticking on how much money the Church will spend and eventually lose by pursing these suits; while all the time you and other MC member thump your chests in grand self-righteousness.
(Editor's note: Grand self-righteousness? Chest thumping? Your experience of the Metropolitan Council is distorted at best, a cartoon at worst. The more I am with these people the more impressed I am with the talents, faith of these people, and the determination to offer their time to assist in the effort to lead the OCA out of morass RSK and his minions placed it in. As for the lawsuits, let me just paraphrase John Donne: Ask not for whom the clock ticks - it ticks for thee....)
#53
Anonymous
on
2009-09-22 13:05
Dear Fellow Orthodox Christian,
What a sad display of unrepentant judgment on your part. It appears that you will never be convinced of anything UNTIL your demands are met. With such an attitude, there is little or no room for the Holy Spirit to work in you. May the Lord truly have mercy on you.
What a sad display of unrepentant judgment on your part. It appears that you will never be convinced of anything UNTIL your demands are met. With such an attitude, there is little or no room for the Holy Spirit to work in you. May the Lord truly have mercy on you.
#54
Anonymous
on
2009-09-22 13:17
RSK, is now "cleaning toilets, vacuuming carpets, mopping floors", really? Hell must have frozen over. I guess his $25 million lawsuit, the millions of dollars of the Church's money he squandered on himself and his cronies without any viable receipts (see SIC report), and the hundreds of thousands of dollars he owed the OCA in admitted personal expenses (see SIC report) are just figments of our collective imaginations for those engaging in this "guerrilla action."
Let's refresh our collective memories regarding what the Summary Report of the Preliminary Report of the Special Investigative Committee brought to light in regards to RSK:
http://www.ocanews.org/news/SummaryofSpecialReport10.16.07.html
• Between 2001 through 2005, over $1,000,000.00 was withdrawn in cash from the operating checking account of the OCA and given directly to Robert Kondratick. The OCA records lack any supporting documentation to indicate how the cash was spent and for what purposes.
• $575,300 of the approximately one million dollars withdrawn in cash was taken from the special appeals funds and given to Robert Kondratick, who has been unable to provide the name of one person or parish who received any of this cash.
• Despite meeting face-to-face five or six times with the accountants from Lambrides, Robert Kondratick could not provide them with the name of one 9/11 victim or parish who received any of the $176,500 allegedly distributed.
• An audit of the check and wire disbursement from the special appeals funds, from 2001 through 2005, shows American Express charges of some $5,600.00 for a member of the Kondratick family, designated by Robert Kondratick as a charitable distribution.
• In December 2004, Robert Kondratick used for travel expenses in Russia $12,000 that was raised and intended for the Christmas Stocking Project.
• From 1999 through 2005, the OCA paid not less than $1.2 million in Kondratick family members' credit card charges, which covered no less than 22 credit cards. The majority of the credit card charges lack any documentation or original receipts to support the purchases by the OCA. To date, Robert Kondratick has failed to provide the OCA with receipts of any kind to support the expenditures of more than $1,100,000. [1]
• Credit card charges for which the OCA paid Robert Kondratick include personal travel to and lodging expenses for places including Aruba and Las Vegas, tanning and hair salon charges, jewelry store purchases, and his family members' ordinary monthly living expenses such as groceries, wine, newspaper and magazine subscriptions, cable bills, clothes, and shoes.
• Robert Kondratick still owes the OCA at least $137,000 in acknowledged personal credit card charges.
• From at least February 1996 through August 2002, Metropolitan Theodosius and Robert Kondratick controlled three discretionary accounts under the name of the OCA, into which at least $1,077,000 was deposited; the Metropolitan's account, a joint account whose signatories were Robert Kondratick and Metropolitan Theodosius, and an account for which Robert Kondratick was the signatory. Other than the Metropolitan's account, the very existence of the discretionary accounts was undisclosed to internal and external auditors.
• $227,943 was deposited into Robert Kondratick's discretionary account from the operating account of the OCA and was spent almost entirely between February 1996 and February 1997.
• No less than $850,000 was deposited into the two other discretionary accounts and spent on such things as Metropolitan Theodosius' and Robert Kondratick's personal lawyers, accountants, and other consultants relating to their opposition of auditing the discretionary funds in 1999 ($125,000), Robert Kondratick's personal credit cards ($50,000), and withdrawals in cash ($195,000).
Assuming we've now crossed into the Twilight Zone and indeed RSK has been "cleaning toilets, vacuuming carpets, mopping floors", it would still work out to an hourly rate comparable to the best trial lawyers and top-notch Washington lobbyist out there, and that's assuming he's cleaning them toilets 8hrs/day, for many years. Not bad for a deposed priest who never repented for his misconduct, nor admitted responsibility for his abuses, nor explained what documents he shredded (estate plans, wills, etc?) nor reimbursed the OCA for the missing millions.
Let's refresh our collective memories regarding what the Summary Report of the Preliminary Report of the Special Investigative Committee brought to light in regards to RSK:
http://www.ocanews.org/news/SummaryofSpecialReport10.16.07.html
• Between 2001 through 2005, over $1,000,000.00 was withdrawn in cash from the operating checking account of the OCA and given directly to Robert Kondratick. The OCA records lack any supporting documentation to indicate how the cash was spent and for what purposes.
• $575,300 of the approximately one million dollars withdrawn in cash was taken from the special appeals funds and given to Robert Kondratick, who has been unable to provide the name of one person or parish who received any of this cash.
• Despite meeting face-to-face five or six times with the accountants from Lambrides, Robert Kondratick could not provide them with the name of one 9/11 victim or parish who received any of the $176,500 allegedly distributed.
• An audit of the check and wire disbursement from the special appeals funds, from 2001 through 2005, shows American Express charges of some $5,600.00 for a member of the Kondratick family, designated by Robert Kondratick as a charitable distribution.
• In December 2004, Robert Kondratick used for travel expenses in Russia $12,000 that was raised and intended for the Christmas Stocking Project.
• From 1999 through 2005, the OCA paid not less than $1.2 million in Kondratick family members' credit card charges, which covered no less than 22 credit cards. The majority of the credit card charges lack any documentation or original receipts to support the purchases by the OCA. To date, Robert Kondratick has failed to provide the OCA with receipts of any kind to support the expenditures of more than $1,100,000. [1]
• Credit card charges for which the OCA paid Robert Kondratick include personal travel to and lodging expenses for places including Aruba and Las Vegas, tanning and hair salon charges, jewelry store purchases, and his family members' ordinary monthly living expenses such as groceries, wine, newspaper and magazine subscriptions, cable bills, clothes, and shoes.
• Robert Kondratick still owes the OCA at least $137,000 in acknowledged personal credit card charges.
• From at least February 1996 through August 2002, Metropolitan Theodosius and Robert Kondratick controlled three discretionary accounts under the name of the OCA, into which at least $1,077,000 was deposited; the Metropolitan's account, a joint account whose signatories were Robert Kondratick and Metropolitan Theodosius, and an account for which Robert Kondratick was the signatory. Other than the Metropolitan's account, the very existence of the discretionary accounts was undisclosed to internal and external auditors.
• $227,943 was deposited into Robert Kondratick's discretionary account from the operating account of the OCA and was spent almost entirely between February 1996 and February 1997.
• No less than $850,000 was deposited into the two other discretionary accounts and spent on such things as Metropolitan Theodosius' and Robert Kondratick's personal lawyers, accountants, and other consultants relating to their opposition of auditing the discretionary funds in 1999 ($125,000), Robert Kondratick's personal credit cards ($50,000), and withdrawals in cash ($195,000).
Assuming we've now crossed into the Twilight Zone and indeed RSK has been "cleaning toilets, vacuuming carpets, mopping floors", it would still work out to an hourly rate comparable to the best trial lawyers and top-notch Washington lobbyist out there, and that's assuming he's cleaning them toilets 8hrs/day, for many years. Not bad for a deposed priest who never repented for his misconduct, nor admitted responsibility for his abuses, nor explained what documents he shredded (estate plans, wills, etc?) nor reimbursed the OCA for the missing millions.
I think it worth noting that Abbot Gerasim was responsible for guiding Platina and its parishes out of schism. The schism took place long before by the actions of the previous Abbot Herman. Many of the monks' introduction to Orthodox was through Platina, so they had little frame of reference to questions of canonicity and the like. It was Frs. Gerasim and Damascene that pushed for their normalization and acceptance into Orthodoxy. I'm not sure it's fair to lambast them for a situation they worked so hard to fix. In many ways, they were very much like the Antiochian EOC - a quasi-Orthodox group accepted en masse into the Church from an idiosyncratic background. Since their reception, there have been no problems with either Platina or its former parishes, which would have been expected given the influx of zealous converts into often very ethnic jurisdictions. That says something important.
It should also be remembered that the former Abbot Herman likely owns/owned the monastery property and grounds. He has nothing to do with the functioning of the monastery and refused to be reconciled to the Church (as far as we know). While his misconduct is well known, he has not been charged with anything and he is already defrocked. What else can be done by the Church? Throw an old man out on the street from his home of 40 years? Again, given this, the fact that Abbot Gerasim was able to move the monastery and its collection of convert parishes around the country smoothly into canonical Orthodoxy says very much about the man and his ability to make peace. That seems to be much in need in Alaska, and in the OCA.
Also, Platina had (has?) monasteries in Alaska and Abbot Gerasim spent a good deal of time there. Platina is also well known for its veneration of Alaska, its saints and her faithful due to it patron saint.
As to how bishops are chosen, that is a different question and the Statue sets out minimal requirements and guidance for both candidates and the process. While the WPA process may be held up as ideal by some, it is not required by statute or canon; both Synod and Assembly have to work together to hear and be heard regarding their concerns, but the Statute and canons are clear as to which body holds full and final responsibility for the election of bishops.
It should also be remembered that the former Abbot Herman likely owns/owned the monastery property and grounds. He has nothing to do with the functioning of the monastery and refused to be reconciled to the Church (as far as we know). While his misconduct is well known, he has not been charged with anything and he is already defrocked. What else can be done by the Church? Throw an old man out on the street from his home of 40 years? Again, given this, the fact that Abbot Gerasim was able to move the monastery and its collection of convert parishes around the country smoothly into canonical Orthodoxy says very much about the man and his ability to make peace. That seems to be much in need in Alaska, and in the OCA.
Also, Platina had (has?) monasteries in Alaska and Abbot Gerasim spent a good deal of time there. Platina is also well known for its veneration of Alaska, its saints and her faithful due to it patron saint.
As to how bishops are chosen, that is a different question and the Statue sets out minimal requirements and guidance for both candidates and the process. While the WPA process may be held up as ideal by some, it is not required by statute or canon; both Synod and Assembly have to work together to hear and be heard regarding their concerns, but the Statute and canons are clear as to which body holds full and final responsibility for the election of bishops.
Does the OCA Statute allow for a diocesan bishop (or the Metropolitan) to overrule the Diocesan Assembly’s election of delegates to the Metropolitan Council? Does anyone, i.e., the Holy Synod, the Metropolitan Council itself? Who, if anyone, can remove a sitting member of the Metropolitan Council and for what cause(s)?
Depending on the answer(s), this could be a situation where hands are tied due to the actions of the DoWA's Diocesan Assembly, i.e., a situation similar to Sudan's membership on the United Nations Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR).
Depending on the answer(s), this could be a situation where hands are tied due to the actions of the DoWA's Diocesan Assembly, i.e., a situation similar to Sudan's membership on the United Nations Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR).
Well, Mr Bansecu,
The veracity of these church related charges will now have to be adjudicated in the courts which have a much different standard then the Proskure Rose which did a fine job of protecting their client, Met. Herman. It is rather fantastic, isn't it that which such "staggering" evidence, as you so often like to "cut and paste" here, that no the FBI nor any NY State or Nassau County entity has brought any charges against Mr. Kondratick.
Where is the FBI? We have heard so often in the past that "indictments" will be handed down any day! Where is the DA of Nassau County sending down to FL. agents to arrest Mr. Kondratick and fly him back to Mineola? If this is such a clear case, as you assure yourself it is, why still nothing?
Now it will be up to the OCA to prove the veracity of the claims they made. Just because it was good enough to depose Kondratick does not mean it is good enough to make a case in a court of law.
So, please, continue to "cut and paste" all you want. But when this matter does go to court, there will be some most interesting testimony, under oath, and under penalty of perjury, from those who previously said one thing to the spiritual court and have already in deposition have changed their story.
I look forward to your barrister spin when this takes place.
(Editor's note: It is fascinating that your defense begins with blaming +Herman, as if RSK was a scapegoat. It may come to be shown that +Herman was guilty of things as well - but this in no way excuses what RSK did himself, which is what Mr. Banescu detailed from the SIC Report. There may be additional people involved in wrong-doing, but that does not make RSK a scapegoat. A scapegoat is an innocent blamed for that which he did not do. To assert another did wrong things as well is hardly a defense. As for the rest, that will be adjudicated in court, if it comes to that.)
The veracity of these church related charges will now have to be adjudicated in the courts which have a much different standard then the Proskure Rose which did a fine job of protecting their client, Met. Herman. It is rather fantastic, isn't it that which such "staggering" evidence, as you so often like to "cut and paste" here, that no the FBI nor any NY State or Nassau County entity has brought any charges against Mr. Kondratick.
Where is the FBI? We have heard so often in the past that "indictments" will be handed down any day! Where is the DA of Nassau County sending down to FL. agents to arrest Mr. Kondratick and fly him back to Mineola? If this is such a clear case, as you assure yourself it is, why still nothing?
Now it will be up to the OCA to prove the veracity of the claims they made. Just because it was good enough to depose Kondratick does not mean it is good enough to make a case in a court of law.
So, please, continue to "cut and paste" all you want. But when this matter does go to court, there will be some most interesting testimony, under oath, and under penalty of perjury, from those who previously said one thing to the spiritual court and have already in deposition have changed their story.
I look forward to your barrister spin when this takes place.
(Editor's note: It is fascinating that your defense begins with blaming +Herman, as if RSK was a scapegoat. It may come to be shown that +Herman was guilty of things as well - but this in no way excuses what RSK did himself, which is what Mr. Banescu detailed from the SIC Report. There may be additional people involved in wrong-doing, but that does not make RSK a scapegoat. A scapegoat is an innocent blamed for that which he did not do. To assert another did wrong things as well is hardly a defense. As for the rest, that will be adjudicated in court, if it comes to that.)
#58
Anonymous
on
2009-09-22 17:59
people in Venice ought to sit back and take a close look at what they represent
a clear and vivid rebellion against the authority of the Synod
a clear and vivid disobedience against the Synod
a clear and vivid disconcern for their fellow Orthodox with the exception of one reportedly crooked ex-priest
a clear and vivid effort to one up everyone else by blindly 'forgiving' a person that is still taking a knife to your brother, I don't recall Christ blessing the actions of an evildoer in the midst of those actions
how nice is it to know you must remain anonymous when you respond and I, Dan Fall, a sinner, can put my name along with my words?
And you dare to question my Christianity by my statements about attendance when you know the religion you are practicing isn't what we've learned all our lives?
You must have something better than that....
a clear and vivid rebellion against the authority of the Synod
a clear and vivid disobedience against the Synod
a clear and vivid disconcern for their fellow Orthodox with the exception of one reportedly crooked ex-priest
a clear and vivid effort to one up everyone else by blindly 'forgiving' a person that is still taking a knife to your brother, I don't recall Christ blessing the actions of an evildoer in the midst of those actions
how nice is it to know you must remain anonymous when you respond and I, Dan Fall, a sinner, can put my name along with my words?
And you dare to question my Christianity by my statements about attendance when you know the religion you are practicing isn't what we've learned all our lives?
You must have something better than that....
#59
Daniel E. Fall
on
2009-09-22 19:36
To elect Ray Velencia to anything is an abomination. He should not even be a priest anymore.
Before anyone starts spluttering and getting indignant; read the documents. Again I say; read the documents.
Even if you understand nothing of the legal wranglings (and I can sum it all up for you; OCA doing CYA), understand this; Ray Velencia in his capacity as a priest of the OCA viloated the confessional in the most blatant and disgusting way and has not only gotten away with it, but is now being 'rewarded' with an appointment to the Met Council. The OCA condones his behavior. Approves, even. Is this the church you want to belong to?
Don't beleive this is not your problem. Read the documents. Write to your priest, to Met Jonah or the Council and demand an explanation. This is your OCA. Pretty revolting if you ask me.
Before anyone starts spluttering and getting indignant; read the documents. Again I say; read the documents.
Even if you understand nothing of the legal wranglings (and I can sum it all up for you; OCA doing CYA), understand this; Ray Velencia in his capacity as a priest of the OCA viloated the confessional in the most blatant and disgusting way and has not only gotten away with it, but is now being 'rewarded' with an appointment to the Met Council. The OCA condones his behavior. Approves, even. Is this the church you want to belong to?
Don't beleive this is not your problem. Read the documents. Write to your priest, to Met Jonah or the Council and demand an explanation. This is your OCA. Pretty revolting if you ask me.
#60
Aisling Gray
on
2009-09-22 21:53
But now you are judging me ! (Unrepentantly!) Of course, I am surely experiencing no more than one ten-thousandth of the innocent suffering of Robert Kondratick. Therefore I demand from you only $2,500, which you may donate in my name to OCA News.
I will now hold an eighteen-hour vigil for your soul.
I will now hold an eighteen-hour vigil for your soul.
#61
A Fellow Orthodox Christian
on
2009-09-23 06:45
Mr Fall,
Why not take a trip to Venice, others have, who have written on this site and see for yourself that we are a parish that loves Christ and are dedicated to spreading the Good News. We employ Fr Bob and we are grateful for his service to Christ in his role as parish administrator. If you can't be at peace with this, then that is your sin not ours. We will all answer for our sins before God.
Why not take a trip to Venice, others have, who have written on this site and see for yourself that we are a parish that loves Christ and are dedicated to spreading the Good News. We employ Fr Bob and we are grateful for his service to Christ in his role as parish administrator. If you can't be at peace with this, then that is your sin not ours. We will all answer for our sins before God.
#62
Anonymous
on
2009-09-24 06:48
Anonymous from Florida: I am interested in what you are saying about Mr. Kondratick. I don't quite know why; this has always bothered me, ever since the first day the scandal broke more than three years ago -- maybe in part because I know it must be true that all the story has not been told and this is more complicated than what has already been brought to light. I may be wrong, I don't know, but I am not going to be convinced about anything until the facts are really and truly presented by both sides, in court.
Something is not right about how he has been portrayed as the villain in this OCA saga -- it makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck even now. I've read the "facts," believe me, but not everything is adding up, and as Judge Judy says, "If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true." I look forward to Mr Kondratick having his day in court.
#63
Anonymous
on
2009-09-24 15:07
So some clergy came from HOOM and other places? So what? There are a number of bishops, +JONAH and +DMITRI among them who were brought up in equally strange places (Episcopalian, Baptist, etc). Perhaps it's not entirely what you left behind, but where you intend to go, is the question. Even the Holy Apostles and St. Vladimir didn't start out as Christians, and they seemed to do OK!
Rdr. James
Rdr. James
#64
James Morgan
on
2009-09-24 15:38
Yes, indeed it will be interesting if the law suits go to trial. The courts will be jammed just to see all of the pretenders confronted. I especially look forward to seeing the SIC commission, that group of amateurs who chose to print only what they wanted to print - I was interviewed, not a word I spoke was printed. Of course, the testimony will be subpeoned.
So, off to court we go! It will be VERY informative. Mr. Stokoe, Wheeler and of course, Garklavs be sure to rehearse your lines! It will probably qualify for the Academy Awards! (Oh, of course, be sure to bring your documentation. In a real court, it is necessary!
(editor's note: The author writes from Venice, Florida.)
So, off to court we go! It will be VERY informative. Mr. Stokoe, Wheeler and of course, Garklavs be sure to rehearse your lines! It will probably qualify for the Academy Awards! (Oh, of course, be sure to bring your documentation. In a real court, it is necessary!
(editor's note: The author writes from Venice, Florida.)
#65
Another Anonymous Person (Why not!)
on
2009-09-28 16:22
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