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The Episcopal Assembly is a joke. As + Philip said, "At least SCOBA had a constitution." The EA is nothing more than a controlling arm of + Bart trying to dominate North America. Well, he nor ANY foreign bishops have authority over the LOCAL CHURCH in N. America. They are an aberration.
#1
Anonymous
on
2010-12-22 15:10
Within Met. Jonah's quote: 'We’re being called to enter in to the greater conciliar dialogue of the churches in a way that has never existed before both on the local and the pan-Orthodox worldwide levels.'
We see the beginnings of recognition officially in high places that we live in times not seen before.
Those of us who have used telephones, taken antibiotics or were delivered by, or had Cesarian operations are of course already aware of this.
It is therefore now also time for discussions about other things not seen before in Orthodox history: loss of the balancing voices on the synods of those who have known marriage then were bishops able to police their own ranks quietly and with care of those unable to carry the burdens of celibacy-- with either sex. Certainly such problems have much to with how it comes to pass Met. Jonah himself leads and not either of the two living previous OCA Metropolitans.
Or must we talk only about those things that would cement governance here by a foriegn united nations where distant popes send 'their' ambassadors? This is not what those of us who understood Orthodoxy to be not the same as the 'single pope' Roman church had in mind.
Even in Roman Catholic / Vatican circles we hear the sincere clergy and lay leadership lament the majority in leadership are better compared to administrators than fathers. That's because 100 years ago a great many of them were actual fathers before they were clergy. Thanks to medicine, not anymore. When you need a dentist, you don't go to a person who only read books about putting sharp things into your mouth-- you need someone who has both done it and themselves lived it.
We need bishops to do as they once did-- oversee about a dozen parishes, more or less the town they lived in, and be able to recognize the families of 'their priest's' and be 'our father in Christ' in more than fictional, unlived title. Much as we hear told about how things are to be done in that old book that gets read twice every Sunday. Must be important, yes? Gospel I think we call it. If we would have others think us to have something to do with the 'Orthodox' title out front of the Church.
Harry Coin
P.S. I have named my keyboard 'Rocinante'. The seeming impossibility that doing this isn't lost on me. Indeed I see no path to our long term survival here (not a Gospel guarantee) short of changes in the civil law or an unforeseen fit of conscience among a majority in high places. Yet I see it is essential if surviving among those for whom Orthodoxy is not an ethnic requirement is important. I hope someone can craft a path to a viable future.
Why? That thing in the book that Christmas fellow was so on the news about. What was that called? The Great Confusion, the Great Consternation... no... ah yes: 'The Great Commission'. Worth Googling.
We see the beginnings of recognition officially in high places that we live in times not seen before.
Those of us who have used telephones, taken antibiotics or were delivered by, or had Cesarian operations are of course already aware of this.
It is therefore now also time for discussions about other things not seen before in Orthodox history: loss of the balancing voices on the synods of those who have known marriage then were bishops able to police their own ranks quietly and with care of those unable to carry the burdens of celibacy-- with either sex. Certainly such problems have much to with how it comes to pass Met. Jonah himself leads and not either of the two living previous OCA Metropolitans.
Or must we talk only about those things that would cement governance here by a foriegn united nations where distant popes send 'their' ambassadors? This is not what those of us who understood Orthodoxy to be not the same as the 'single pope' Roman church had in mind.
Even in Roman Catholic / Vatican circles we hear the sincere clergy and lay leadership lament the majority in leadership are better compared to administrators than fathers. That's because 100 years ago a great many of them were actual fathers before they were clergy. Thanks to medicine, not anymore. When you need a dentist, you don't go to a person who only read books about putting sharp things into your mouth-- you need someone who has both done it and themselves lived it.
We need bishops to do as they once did-- oversee about a dozen parishes, more or less the town they lived in, and be able to recognize the families of 'their priest's' and be 'our father in Christ' in more than fictional, unlived title. Much as we hear told about how things are to be done in that old book that gets read twice every Sunday. Must be important, yes? Gospel I think we call it. If we would have others think us to have something to do with the 'Orthodox' title out front of the Church.
Harry Coin
P.S. I have named my keyboard 'Rocinante'. The seeming impossibility that doing this isn't lost on me. Indeed I see no path to our long term survival here (not a Gospel guarantee) short of changes in the civil law or an unforeseen fit of conscience among a majority in high places. Yet I see it is essential if surviving among those for whom Orthodoxy is not an ethnic requirement is important. I hope someone can craft a path to a viable future.
Why? That thing in the book that Christmas fellow was so on the news about. What was that called? The Great Confusion, the Great Consternation... no... ah yes: 'The Great Commission'. Worth Googling.
#2
Harry Coin
on
2010-12-22 15:42
The section on "New York" at the bottom of the article should be updated with the indefinite suspension of both Metropolitan Paisios Loulourgas and Bishop Vikentios Malamatenios on December 17th, 2010.
http://pokrov.org/display.asp?ds=Article&id=1536
I am also disappointed Mark, that you apparently do not consider the recent developments in the lawsuit filed by Father Vasilie Susan against the Orthodox Church in America to be worthy of inclusion.
http://pokrov.org/display.asp?ds=Article&id=1535
Melanie Jula Sakoda
(Editor's note: Two reasons. One, as long as Fr. Vasile was suing the OCA it was innappropriate for me, as a member of the MC, the body which actually gets sued, to discuss the issues in a public forum. He and I have spoken about that. I have raised his issues with the MC, which in this case, is perhaps a more important forum than OCANews.org.
Secondly, that decision to which you speak was immediately appealed, and therefore it decided nothing. More importantly, it has just been upheld on appeal. That, then, is news and I imagine since a trial date has now been set for December 2011, Fr. Vasile's case will be in the news a great deal this coming year. Plus ca change ...)
http://pokrov.org/display.asp?ds=Article&id=1536
I am also disappointed Mark, that you apparently do not consider the recent developments in the lawsuit filed by Father Vasilie Susan against the Orthodox Church in America to be worthy of inclusion.
http://pokrov.org/display.asp?ds=Article&id=1535
Melanie Jula Sakoda
(Editor's note: Two reasons. One, as long as Fr. Vasile was suing the OCA it was innappropriate for me, as a member of the MC, the body which actually gets sued, to discuss the issues in a public forum. He and I have spoken about that. I have raised his issues with the MC, which in this case, is perhaps a more important forum than OCANews.org.
Secondly, that decision to which you speak was immediately appealed, and therefore it decided nothing. More importantly, it has just been upheld on appeal. That, then, is news and I imagine since a trial date has now been set for December 2011, Fr. Vasile's case will be in the news a great deal this coming year. Plus ca change ...)
Mark, may quote you?
..he refers to the OCA’s autocephaly as an “obstacle” and the OCA will have “to alter its position”.
..not entirely a true statement. He did apply conditionals at various other places in his speech. That is, if we were going to participate in the EA process.
Now, to be equally fair to you, I found his speech to be only the best when he referred to his education. The other parts of it were annoying, like comparing the OCA to a child who had done something wrong, when from my perspective the EA process is terribly flawed.
The real problem is the canons did not account for the circumstances presented in the Americas. The problem wasn't the OCAs arrogance. Jeepers! Does our Metropolitan really think we want him to be the top guy over all the American churches?
Once the EA process recognizes the canons can't handle overlapping jurisdictional boundaries and the canons are flawed, and once some hotshot theologian can explain risk-benefit to a unified american church, I'll pay more attention.
By the way, wouldn't that be a great dissertation? Please make sure I get a copy. Or if already, clue me in.
I don't care if they invite our Metropolitan to wash their dirty dishes. He really should not attend as a second class citizen.
I don't see any value whatsoever in EA participation.
Isn't it really the place of the EA to get us to sit at their table?
Why are we begging for a chair? Did they have some really good pastrami?
(Editor's note: I am sure there are several important reasons we mus participate - I just can't think of any right now. However, it is,, at least, a free weekend in New York at a nice hotel. If it is ever to be more we shall have to wait and see. Don't hold your breath. Breathe.)
..he refers to the OCA’s autocephaly as an “obstacle” and the OCA will have “to alter its position”.
..not entirely a true statement. He did apply conditionals at various other places in his speech. That is, if we were going to participate in the EA process.
Now, to be equally fair to you, I found his speech to be only the best when he referred to his education. The other parts of it were annoying, like comparing the OCA to a child who had done something wrong, when from my perspective the EA process is terribly flawed.
The real problem is the canons did not account for the circumstances presented in the Americas. The problem wasn't the OCAs arrogance. Jeepers! Does our Metropolitan really think we want him to be the top guy over all the American churches?
Once the EA process recognizes the canons can't handle overlapping jurisdictional boundaries and the canons are flawed, and once some hotshot theologian can explain risk-benefit to a unified american church, I'll pay more attention.
By the way, wouldn't that be a great dissertation? Please make sure I get a copy. Or if already, clue me in.
I don't care if they invite our Metropolitan to wash their dirty dishes. He really should not attend as a second class citizen.
I don't see any value whatsoever in EA participation.
Isn't it really the place of the EA to get us to sit at their table?
Why are we begging for a chair? Did they have some really good pastrami?
(Editor's note: I am sure there are several important reasons we mus participate - I just can't think of any right now. However, it is,, at least, a free weekend in New York at a nice hotel. If it is ever to be more we shall have to wait and see. Don't hold your breath. Breathe.)
#4
Daniel E. Fall
on
2010-12-22 22:37
CORRECTION: Bishop Vikentios is not in the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America. He was the Deputy Abbot of the St. Irene Chrysovalantou Monastery in Astoria, Long Island, New York, a Stavopegial institution directly under the Ecumenical Patriarchate. (It was the former GOAA Archbishop of America, Spyridon, who, in 1998 had facilitated the integration of this separated Old Calendar group into the canonical church, but not within the GOAA. The abbot and deputy abbot were auxiliary bishops under the Ecumenical Patriarch. They have some parishes across the country which are referred to as monastic appendages, they too are under the monastery,not the GOAA.) Yes, another overlapping jurisdiction within the EP itself.
(Editor's note: So, the EP has no problem with overlapping jurisdictions, even in its own administration, as long as everybody recognizes them as the top dog? Methinks their idea of Orthodox unity in America may be difference than everyone else's actually in America. What is the actual goal of the Episcopal Assembly then? )
(Editor's note: So, the EP has no problem with overlapping jurisdictions, even in its own administration, as long as everybody recognizes them as the top dog? Methinks their idea of Orthodox unity in America may be difference than everyone else's actually in America. What is the actual goal of the Episcopal Assembly then? )
#5
Bruce Wm. Trakas
on
2010-12-23 01:15
Wow, even the Primate is now saying OCA autocephaly is a bad thing! Maybe there is hope yet, and maybe pride is not the motivating factor for the OCA. One can certainly hope so! This is the smartest thing I have heard from the Met. yet.
#6
Anonymous
on
2010-12-23 05:07
---Yep, we in the U.S. want to be part of this---
WJC and CER Denounce Anti-Semitic Statements Made by Greek Orthodox Church Officials
23 December 2010
The World Jewish Congress and the Conference of European Rabbis today issued the following joint statement calling on the head of the Greek Orthodox Church in Greece, Archbishop Ieronymos II, and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew to condemn vitriolic, anti-Semitic public statements recently made by Metropolitan of Piraeus Seraphim and Metropolitan Anthimus of Salonika. The Metropolitan Seraphim, one of the Greek Orthodox Churches highest officials, appeared on a morning show on Greek television and falsely charged world Jewry with causing the current financial crisis in Greece. He also articulated the outrageous libel that the Jews had financed Adolf Hitler with the “sole purpose of having the Jewish people leave the shores of Europe and go to Israel to establish a new Empire.”
Chief Rabbi Joseph Sitruk, Honorary President of the Conference of European Rabbis, said, “We had hoped that such vicious accusations and canards would no longer emanate from the Greek Orthodox Church in view of the many years of dialogue and cooperation between our two communities to advance ecumenism and mutual understanding. Such insidious pronouncements on the part of high-level Church leaders at such a sensitive time of economic and social instability in Greece are provocative to say the least and have the potential to cause violence.”
Ronald S. Lauder, President of the World Jewish Congress, said, “We call on the Ecumenical Patriarch, head of the Greek Orthodox Church, Archbishop Ieronymos II, to publicly repudiate and condemn these anti-Semitic statements made by Metropolitan Seraphim and Metropolitan Anthimos so that may not be construed as official Church positions. We hope that the many years of interfaith efforts made by the World Jewish Congress and the Conference of European Rabbis will now demonstrate that positive relations developed between the Church, the Greek government, and the Jewish community and Israel have grown and matured and that these horrendous expressions of anti-Semitism will be immediately renounced.”
WJC and CER Denounce Anti-Semitic Statements Made by Greek Orthodox Church Officials
23 December 2010
The World Jewish Congress and the Conference of European Rabbis today issued the following joint statement calling on the head of the Greek Orthodox Church in Greece, Archbishop Ieronymos II, and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew to condemn vitriolic, anti-Semitic public statements recently made by Metropolitan of Piraeus Seraphim and Metropolitan Anthimus of Salonika. The Metropolitan Seraphim, one of the Greek Orthodox Churches highest officials, appeared on a morning show on Greek television and falsely charged world Jewry with causing the current financial crisis in Greece. He also articulated the outrageous libel that the Jews had financed Adolf Hitler with the “sole purpose of having the Jewish people leave the shores of Europe and go to Israel to establish a new Empire.”
Chief Rabbi Joseph Sitruk, Honorary President of the Conference of European Rabbis, said, “We had hoped that such vicious accusations and canards would no longer emanate from the Greek Orthodox Church in view of the many years of dialogue and cooperation between our two communities to advance ecumenism and mutual understanding. Such insidious pronouncements on the part of high-level Church leaders at such a sensitive time of economic and social instability in Greece are provocative to say the least and have the potential to cause violence.”
Ronald S. Lauder, President of the World Jewish Congress, said, “We call on the Ecumenical Patriarch, head of the Greek Orthodox Church, Archbishop Ieronymos II, to publicly repudiate and condemn these anti-Semitic statements made by Metropolitan Seraphim and Metropolitan Anthimos so that may not be construed as official Church positions. We hope that the many years of interfaith efforts made by the World Jewish Congress and the Conference of European Rabbis will now demonstrate that positive relations developed between the Church, the Greek government, and the Jewish community and Israel have grown and matured and that these horrendous expressions of anti-Semitism will be immediately renounced.”
#7
Anonymous
on
2010-12-23 08:34
I think that it is crucial to consider the following portions of the Metropolitan's address:
"We will have to decide some key value questions: whether participation in the movement towards Orthodox unity in North America is more important to us, or whether we simply stand fast on our autocephaly, our institutional identity, even to the point of exclusion. We need to evaluate whether unity with the other communities will foster or hinder our missionary task. We have to evaluate what kind of context and direction for the future will best foster that mission.
Whatever the particularities, we remain steadfast in our vision that the only acceptable solution for North America is a fully inclusive, united autocephalous Church with a single synod of bishops, electing our own bishops and primate, and controlling our own life. We will remain committed to a vision of conciliarity, of catholicity on all levels, affirming that all Orthodox Christians should have a voice in the life of the Church. We are absolutely committed to the vision that our task is missionary, to bring the gospel to Americans, and to incorporate Americans into the communion of the Orthodox Church."
I expect to see an avalanche of postings critical of the Metropolitan, particularly because without reading the entire transcript (that is if one relies only on the teaser in Mark's article) folks are bound to get riled up.
I for one am not convinced that we must accept the Chambesy protocol for autocephaly but it is indeed what we have on the table and we must consider it.
I also see a disconnect in +Jonah's discussion of autocephaly. If, as he believes, "Orthodox Churches exist in mutual interdependence, a unity in communion in which each has to take account of the other," why must we go beyond inter-communion at the parish level, which we now have, and insist that to be truly autocephalous we must be included in the diptychs of all Orthodox autocephalous churches? This may indeed be a good thing but it is largely ahistorical.
All that said, I think the accusation that +Jonah is selling out the autocephaly of the OCA is not justified by this one address. In closing, I wish you all a healthy, safe and blessed Nativity and New Year!
(Editor's note: This is not the only time the Metropolitan has spoken on the topic. )
"We will have to decide some key value questions: whether participation in the movement towards Orthodox unity in North America is more important to us, or whether we simply stand fast on our autocephaly, our institutional identity, even to the point of exclusion. We need to evaluate whether unity with the other communities will foster or hinder our missionary task. We have to evaluate what kind of context and direction for the future will best foster that mission.
Whatever the particularities, we remain steadfast in our vision that the only acceptable solution for North America is a fully inclusive, united autocephalous Church with a single synod of bishops, electing our own bishops and primate, and controlling our own life. We will remain committed to a vision of conciliarity, of catholicity on all levels, affirming that all Orthodox Christians should have a voice in the life of the Church. We are absolutely committed to the vision that our task is missionary, to bring the gospel to Americans, and to incorporate Americans into the communion of the Orthodox Church."
I expect to see an avalanche of postings critical of the Metropolitan, particularly because without reading the entire transcript (that is if one relies only on the teaser in Mark's article) folks are bound to get riled up.
I for one am not convinced that we must accept the Chambesy protocol for autocephaly but it is indeed what we have on the table and we must consider it.
I also see a disconnect in +Jonah's discussion of autocephaly. If, as he believes, "Orthodox Churches exist in mutual interdependence, a unity in communion in which each has to take account of the other," why must we go beyond inter-communion at the parish level, which we now have, and insist that to be truly autocephalous we must be included in the diptychs of all Orthodox autocephalous churches? This may indeed be a good thing but it is largely ahistorical.
All that said, I think the accusation that +Jonah is selling out the autocephaly of the OCA is not justified by this one address. In closing, I wish you all a healthy, safe and blessed Nativity and New Year!
(Editor's note: This is not the only time the Metropolitan has spoken on the topic. )
#8
Carl Kraeff
on
2010-12-23 09:09
Regarding the scandal at the Saint Irene Chrysovalantou Monastery, the following notice has appeared on the official Internet site of the Archdiocese of Thyateira and Great Britain (EP).
"Press Release of the Ec. Patriachate for the Mon. of Saint Irene
17.12.2010
It is hereby announced that the Hierarchs of the Throne in our City gathered for an extraordinary session today, December 17, 2010, and revisited the issue which has arisen at the Patriarchal and Stravropegial Monastery of St. Irene Chrysovalantou in Astoria, New York, unanimously arriving at the decision to suspend indefinitely both Metropolitan Paisios of Tyana, former Abbot of the Monastery, and Bishop Vikentios of Apameia, its former Deputy Abbot, from every clerical function.
At the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the 17th of December 2010
From the Chief Secretariat of the Holy and Sacred Synod"
"Press Release of the Ec. Patriachate for the Mon. of Saint Irene
17.12.2010
It is hereby announced that the Hierarchs of the Throne in our City gathered for an extraordinary session today, December 17, 2010, and revisited the issue which has arisen at the Patriarchal and Stravropegial Monastery of St. Irene Chrysovalantou in Astoria, New York, unanimously arriving at the decision to suspend indefinitely both Metropolitan Paisios of Tyana, former Abbot of the Monastery, and Bishop Vikentios of Apameia, its former Deputy Abbot, from every clerical function.
At the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the 17th of December 2010
From the Chief Secretariat of the Holy and Sacred Synod"
#9
Carl Kraeff
on
2010-12-23 09:49
How in the world does one reconcile the recent statement from the OCA Synod defending autocephaly with the comments of Metropolitan Jonah? Quite simply one can't. Metropolitan Jonah is a self confessed traitor to an independent OCA, and perhaps also to a truly independent North American Orthodox Church. His Russian fantasies and fixations are delusional and pathetic.
The only sensible and possible course of action is for the Synod to depose him immediately. Even if it does, tremendous damage, perhaps irreparable damage, has been inflicted on the OCA by electing an untested neophyte as its leader in a time of change and crisis.
Good Lord deliver us!
KRT
The only sensible and possible course of action is for the Synod to depose him immediately. Even if it does, tremendous damage, perhaps irreparable damage, has been inflicted on the OCA by electing an untested neophyte as its leader in a time of change and crisis.
Good Lord deliver us!
KRT
#10
Kenneth R. Tobin
on
2010-12-23 16:15
[Mark- your "contact us" button only works if one is using certain specific carriers such as AOL, so I am putting his in the Comments section]. JUST A SIMPLE TRIBUTE TO THE LATE ARCHBISHOP JOB, AS WE APPROACH THE NEW YEAR. WE REMEMBER THIS OUTSTANDING HIERARCH WHO STRUGGLED FOR SIMPLE HONESTY IN THE CONDUCT OF THE AFFAIRS OF THE OCA. HE WAS A GREAT LOSS TO US AND TO THE CHURCH IN GENERAL. (Archbishop Lazar)
What happened in Worcester? Two priests are out, but there have not been any official reports. I heard there was a parish meeting with Metropolitan Philip, yet still no one is talking. What was Fr. Michael Abdalahad accused of that he can no longer lead the parish? Are there any solutions in sight?
#12
Concerned
on
2010-12-26 17:14
Most people don't realize how differnt the Eastern Orthodox Churchers are to the RC's most think it's just the issue of the Pope or the Creed.
This site has made it clear that there is far to much commonality with the RC's exhisting within the Church, propigated by it's clergy not it's people!
This site has made it clear that there is far to much commonality with the RC's exhisting within the Church, propigated by it's clergy not it's people!
#13
ANON
on
2010-12-28 08:27
The Patriarchate decided not to punish Paisios?!? That's horrible, but it's SOP when everybody has dirt on everybody else. In those cases, people merely resign, get re-assigned, retire with full dignity, etc. There's far too much of this stench in every major jurisdiction. ENOUGH!
#14
James P.
on
2010-12-28 10:37
Our Metropolitan Jonah should be affirming and standing behind our autocephaly. Instead he is cowering to the voices of the Greek Archdiocese under the thumb of Patriarch of Instanbul, Turkey. Jonah is not worthy of being our spokesman of our Orthodox Church in America. The world has not changed. Democracy in the former Soviet Union is not a true Democracy, the leaders are still former communists. Turkey is still tight under the moslems. The middle east is under the thumb of the moslems. How does saying our autocephaly is a hindrance to Orthodox unity in America. The only hindrance is the foreign patriarch(s) -- both of Damascus and Instanbul. They are the hindrance to unity in America. Because they both want to keep their Orthodox jurisdictions and their monies flowing to their headquarters in Turkey and the middle east. The only mistake the OCA has made is to be present at the episcopal assembly. It is time for a different Metropolitan to be our spokesperson.
#15
anonymous
on
2010-12-29 08:17
Another website alludes to $20,000 of OCA funds being used to squash a subpoena of Met Jonah to testify in Fr Susan's case. Could you please shed light on this matter in upcoming news? Thank you.
(Editor's note: That is true. The Metropolitan was told to avoid Chicago lest he be subpoened in this case, which he had nothing to do with. He went, got subpoened, and now has spent $20,000 fighting it on principle. Go figure.)
(Editor's note: That is true. The Metropolitan was told to avoid Chicago lest he be subpoened in this case, which he had nothing to do with. He went, got subpoened, and now has spent $20,000 fighting it on principle. Go figure.)
#16
Nicole
on
2010-12-30 02:40
I hope our dear editor will post this, as it surely fits with the headline!
This past weekend I saw a beautiful newly published booklet for celebrating the Holy Supper, "Order of Prayers for the Holy Supper," by Archbishop Job of blessed memory. As I'm a convert to the Orthodox Faith, I did not grow up with this tradition, but have attended Holy Suppers, both with families and with parish communities. This lovely booklet, with prayers, the festal tropar, and tips for your holy supper is a great and inspiring guide. Here's a note from the publishers, faithful laypeople, including how to get your own copy:
"As many of us know, December 18, 2010, was the first anniversary of Archbishop Job’s repose. In his memory, a book has been published that provides a “service” for Christmas Eve Holy Supper. The provisional text was written by Bishop Job some time when he was Bishop of Hartford and New England. He prayed these prayers with the people at Holy Trinity Cathedral in Boston. He never published this book himself, however, believing that he might get to this and some other publishing projects when he retired. The book is available for a $5.00 donation plus postage. If you are interested in purchasing the book, you may contact either Stephanie Stroyen at GodmotherSLS@gmail.com or Alexandra Makosky at alexmakosky@embarqmail.com for ordering information. All proceeds go to the Memorial Fund established to care for Bishop Job’s gravesite."
This would be an excellent addition to your home library of Orthodox Christian books.
Yours in Christ,
Matushka Jan Koczak
This past weekend I saw a beautiful newly published booklet for celebrating the Holy Supper, "Order of Prayers for the Holy Supper," by Archbishop Job of blessed memory. As I'm a convert to the Orthodox Faith, I did not grow up with this tradition, but have attended Holy Suppers, both with families and with parish communities. This lovely booklet, with prayers, the festal tropar, and tips for your holy supper is a great and inspiring guide. Here's a note from the publishers, faithful laypeople, including how to get your own copy:
"As many of us know, December 18, 2010, was the first anniversary of Archbishop Job’s repose. In his memory, a book has been published that provides a “service” for Christmas Eve Holy Supper. The provisional text was written by Bishop Job some time when he was Bishop of Hartford and New England. He prayed these prayers with the people at Holy Trinity Cathedral in Boston. He never published this book himself, however, believing that he might get to this and some other publishing projects when he retired. The book is available for a $5.00 donation plus postage. If you are interested in purchasing the book, you may contact either Stephanie Stroyen at GodmotherSLS@gmail.com or Alexandra Makosky at alexmakosky@embarqmail.com for ordering information. All proceeds go to the Memorial Fund established to care for Bishop Job’s gravesite."
This would be an excellent addition to your home library of Orthodox Christian books.
Yours in Christ,
Matushka Jan Koczak
Dear Mark,
Happy New Year!
Welcome back with an open heart and mind for the benefits of your site’s readers.
Mark,
With your permission, I would like to bring to your attention that it is either a BIG ERROR or a BIG LIE, within your “Editor’s note” as posted below, and underlined, connected to COMMENT # 3.
Here is part of your Editor’s note:
{(Editor's note: Two reasons. One, as long as “Fr. Vasile was suing the OCA” it was inappropriate for me, as a member of the MC, “the body which actually gets sued”, to discuss the issues in a public forum. He and I have spoken about that. I have raised his issues with the MC, which in this case, is perhaps a more important forum than OCANews.org.}
Mark,
You have stated that Fr Susan was suing the OCA. Where did you come up with such a BIG LIE from?
In case it is an error and not a big lie, than the BIG LIE expression should be replaced by a BIG ERROR.
In order for you to find out the truth, I am inviting you and the readers of your site, to go to www.pokrov.org and find out the truth.
Here we are:
According to the www.pokrov.org posting … published / dated as of 1 / 14 / 2011, the Related Document: Court Order in Susan v. ROEA (12 / 3 / 2010) is telling the truth about this civil lawsuit.
Plaintiff in the lawsuit is: REVEREND FATHER VASILE SUSAN.
Defendants in the lawsuit are: ROMANIAN ORTHODOX EPISCOPATE OF AMERICA, a not-for-profit corporation,
RT.REV. NATHANIEL (WILLIAM) POPP, and V.REV.FR. SIMION PAVEL.
Please do the correction / correct information to the readers of the www.ocanews.org site, and properly inform the readers about this error. Hope NO MORE ERRORS of this caliber will be on your site, at least regarding to this civil lawsuit of the Romanian priest.
There is NO COURT within the USA you can find out a lawsuit of Rev Fr Vasile Susan against the OCA., even though you erroneously have written your words as following, … “Fr. Vasile was suing the OCA” and “the body which actually gets sued”, This is a plain honestly information.
I would like to see another lawsuit file as you said against the OCA, brought by the same Romanian priest!
An anonymous and honest Romanian priest … 01/ 25 / 2011.
(Editor's note: So its a "BIG LIE" because you haven't done it, but not, since you would like to do it? Ouch. Thanks, but no thanks. Fr, Vasile would be the first to admit, I am sure, that it was Abp. Job who reached out to him after he was dismissed from his parish, and allowed him to serve for years as the supply priest in the OCA's Chicago deanery. That being said, the ROEA is still part of the OCA - and being on the MC, inappropriate for me to comment when part of the OCA is being is sued, even if the MC itself is not being. I have, can, and will, of course continue to report things in the public sphere, such as letting people know a court date has been set.)
Happy New Year!
Welcome back with an open heart and mind for the benefits of your site’s readers.
Mark,
With your permission, I would like to bring to your attention that it is either a BIG ERROR or a BIG LIE, within your “Editor’s note” as posted below, and underlined, connected to COMMENT # 3.
Here is part of your Editor’s note:
{(Editor's note: Two reasons. One, as long as “Fr. Vasile was suing the OCA” it was inappropriate for me, as a member of the MC, “the body which actually gets sued”, to discuss the issues in a public forum. He and I have spoken about that. I have raised his issues with the MC, which in this case, is perhaps a more important forum than OCANews.org.}
Mark,
You have stated that Fr Susan was suing the OCA. Where did you come up with such a BIG LIE from?
In case it is an error and not a big lie, than the BIG LIE expression should be replaced by a BIG ERROR.
In order for you to find out the truth, I am inviting you and the readers of your site, to go to www.pokrov.org and find out the truth.
Here we are:
According to the www.pokrov.org posting … published / dated as of 1 / 14 / 2011, the Related Document: Court Order in Susan v. ROEA (12 / 3 / 2010) is telling the truth about this civil lawsuit.
Plaintiff in the lawsuit is: REVEREND FATHER VASILE SUSAN.
Defendants in the lawsuit are: ROMANIAN ORTHODOX EPISCOPATE OF AMERICA, a not-for-profit corporation,
RT.REV. NATHANIEL (WILLIAM) POPP, and V.REV.FR. SIMION PAVEL.
Please do the correction / correct information to the readers of the www.ocanews.org site, and properly inform the readers about this error. Hope NO MORE ERRORS of this caliber will be on your site, at least regarding to this civil lawsuit of the Romanian priest.
There is NO COURT within the USA you can find out a lawsuit of Rev Fr Vasile Susan against the OCA., even though you erroneously have written your words as following, … “Fr. Vasile was suing the OCA” and “the body which actually gets sued”, This is a plain honestly information.
I would like to see another lawsuit file as you said against the OCA, brought by the same Romanian priest!
An anonymous and honest Romanian priest … 01/ 25 / 2011.
(Editor's note: So its a "BIG LIE" because you haven't done it, but not, since you would like to do it? Ouch. Thanks, but no thanks. Fr, Vasile would be the first to admit, I am sure, that it was Abp. Job who reached out to him after he was dismissed from his parish, and allowed him to serve for years as the supply priest in the OCA's Chicago deanery. That being said, the ROEA is still part of the OCA - and being on the MC, inappropriate for me to comment when part of the OCA is being is sued, even if the MC itself is not being. I have, can, and will, of course continue to report things in the public sphere, such as letting people know a court date has been set.)
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Anonymous
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2011-01-25 12:24
Dear Mark,
Your first question is the answer to your last question. The statement in the middle is the largely ignored truth which makes sense out of the questions.
Fr Yousuf
Your first question is the answer to your last question. The statement in the middle is the largely ignored truth which makes sense out of the questions.
Fr Yousuf
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2011-01-29 10:16
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