Surprise, surprise, surprise! Look, everyone knows + Jonah has a problem. He was instructed to undergo psych tests and he refused. The guy has some serious issues and I would happen to believe that he was brain-washed in Russia. I would bet my life on it - this is how they act after undergoing intense, psychological "adjustment." Folks, it's time to dump this guy. Dallas is open; he was originally elected for Dallas so let him go there. Elect a new Met in Seattle. I highly suggest + Mechezeldek - he's the only one who truly understands the real vision of the OCA and an American Church!
Well, Bellevue should be a most interesting Council. I plan to be there and volunteer at the registration desk. Not sure if I plan to be an 'observer' since tht means I'd have to actually pay to get into the sessions, but I'm sure the conversations in the corridors will be interesting.
And of course there is that inticing 'orthodox mall' downstairs with over 70 - count 'em 70! places you can buy Orthokitsch and stuff, from cassocks to klobuks! Wow!
jim of Olym
Looking forward to meeting and greeting y'all.
When you refer to Bellevue; is that in WA or the NYC Psych. Hospital? I think the latter is most apropos.
(Editor's note: I agree, if it were only so. Bellevue hospital is America's oldest public hospital - serving the poor since 1736. The OCA should only wish it had served the poor as long. Bellevue, the hospital is staggering, in the quality and breadth of its services, and its distinguished staff is nationally recognized. Would that the same was true of the OCA. Following 9/11 Belleuve was a center of care for victims, living and dead. It just got a $16 million grant to treat those exposed to dust and fumes, who do not have health insurance. The RSK administration spent the OCA's donation to 9/11 on well, who knows...they disappeared. So, while Bellevue the hospital is the butt of your juvenile jokes, as is the site of our AAC, the second largest city in Washington, and one of the top 5 places to live in the USA, as well as retire, as well as places for young people (2010) ( would the OCA could rank so...) you might stop for a minute and think about why the jokes only make you look sad and pathetic, not Bellevue, in any of its 42 incarnations around the USA. Grow up.)
When are people going to finally hear the cry, "Electing bishops who are only from monastic or celibate ranks is asking for trouble!" Ask any psychologist and they will tell you that married men are far more psychologically well-adjusted adjusted than monks or celibates. There are reasons they are monks or celibate. Widowers are different with other issues. When will Orthodox pay attention and understand that monks were chosen for bishops out of EXPEDIENCY. No progeny to take bishop's property and monasteries were where the libraries were - educated men. Going back to the Tradition of the Church and consider married men for the episcopate is only a sane, pragmatic decision. It really is time! 11 of the 12 Apostles were married!
There is a point here! Just in the last so many years we have witnessed some real "problem" bishops and thank God, they have been relieved. Let's consider: Gula who was in Alaska; Nikolai who was in Alaska; Tikhon of West (the Land of Fruits & Nuts) and I'm sure there are others. We need healthy leaders of the Church; not just any monk or celibate.
Making inuendos regarding the mental health of any individual, including +Jonah is simply inappropriate. Unless I missed that Mr. Stoke is also an expert in psychology and can purport to make these diagnoses via chance encounters with an individual he has made it his goal to bring down.
Stick to the facts and not your ill-informed opinion about somebody's psychological state. We should also keep in mind that the information "left out of the report from the MC" is being delivered to us by someone who has been kicked off that council. Pretty credible source.
(Editor's note: Ill-informed? WHere have you been the past three years? The evidence is clear for anybody who has worked with the man! But in point of fact, five Metropolitan Council meetings of 2-3 days over a 3 year period are hardly "chance encounters". Not to mention additional meetings - and decisions -- at Diocesan Councils, Diocesan Assemblies, and several other events at which we both participated. If I am so wrong in my observations, why has no one, no bishop, member of the MC, or staff person corrected me? Hmm? No one has even disputed my record of the events. Hmmm? That should give the reader a clue as to who is credible - and who is not.
As for "being kicked off the council"; that is true. Twice. As for what the Council thinks of my service on it, I predict that will be made somewhat clearer when the Minutes come out.)
I do not believe it would be unreasonable to request of anyone called to a positions of great responsibility in the Church to be evaluated by first rate medical and psychiatric professionals, in fact I believe it should be a prerequisite for any canditate for episcopal office.
Met. Jonah refused the advise of his brother bishops to do this after exibiting troubling signs. I pray that our Metropolitan will come to his senses and follow the loving advise of his brother bishops.
It could very well be that our Metropolitan suffers from some condition that can be readily treated, enabling him to serve the Church well. However, if he continues to refuse to follow the advise of the Holy Synod, who love him, he will not be able to live up to his potential to serve the Church in the way that we all hoped that he could.
To protect and serve the Church, the Holy Synod needs to act on this painful reality, before the All American Council takes place.
You got the picture! Unfortunately, +Jonah continues to reject the brotherly council of his brothers in Christ and is determined to listen old to the old RSK / Fester administration. A runaway train without a desire to fix the brakes.
Depends on which mental health 'expert' is picked to treat the alleged 'problem'.
Episcopal church required psych evaluation for all candates for ministry for the past 30 years. Look where that got them now!
(Editor's note: The problems of the Episcopal Church are the result of "choice", literally, not mental illness. We could learn a great deal from their wise pastoral practices regarding ministry. )
Call him arrogant or misguided but to suggest a psychological diagnosis when you have no standing to do so is the height of arrogance. Again, please tell me your medical background to make that diagnosis?
I also have known the man for more than 10 years and happen to be a fully licensed and practicing medical doctor and will say without question that he is not mentally unstable.
This does not clear him of his actions or the way he has asserted his authority. That he has been a poor manager of people and situations is evident, but that does not suggest a personality disorder (which is what I assume you mean when you say he is mentally unstable).
Again, I implore you to stop making these accusations based on your meetings with the men. You clearly have no mutual respect for each other and your encounters with him have been with you on the opposite side. You are not objective. That is a fact. Does that make you wrong, no, but you are not objective.
I am glad you are proud to have been kicked off the council twice. What great strides you are making for the OCA and modelling Christ like behavior for others. I am sorry your ego has been bruised (but of course the minutes will reflect otherwise, I am sure) but please use this site with responsibility.
You hate the man, that is clear, but do not let it cloud how you report. With the access you have been given comes responsibility. What you have done with it would make the National Enquirer proud.
(Editor's note: ROTFL! Let's see, I express an opinion using my name, which you are free to agree or disagree with, and I am "irresponsible"; while you, anonymously claim to be a doctor and that makes you "responsible". Reallly, its too funny, if the story weren't so tragic.
For the record, let me correct your errors. First I do not nor ever have "hated" the metropolitan. Nor does he, to my knowledge, hate me. We disagree on many things, most notably his decisions in matters of administration and sexual misconduct policy. These are not matters in which "he asserts his authority" for the issue is not "his authority", but failure to follow the governing policies of the OCA. The OCA is not his plaything. If he wants to change the policies, do so. Just don't ignore and subvert them and call it "asserting your authority". I have told him such to his face on multiple ocassions, most recently when he asked me my opinion as to what he should do. I told then - "Resign. Resign now. Its the only honorable thing left you can do." He declined. I have said nothing on this site I have not told him.
As for the National Enquirer, not ever close, friend, not even close. And the same goes for being Christ-like, though. I have always said I am a poor Christian. You have me there. )
Mark, a thought came to me this weekend as I was reading some of the more recent posts and comments on OCAnews.org. I realized how rarely I see the two words, "Jesus Christ." Isn't He the primary reason for our Faith? Shouldn't He be part of every conversation we have, especially when it concerns the Church? Yet He rarely shows up on this site. Its not my intention to preach since I fail in this as well but it concerned me. How can the message be godly if the focus isn't on our Lord?
(Editor's note: I would argue that it is. Promoting the truth, transparency and accountability are all aimed at revealing the truth - and isn't that the point of the Gospel, to reveal the Truth: i.e. Jesus Christ? One need not scream "Jesus Christ" to be preaching him; indeed most who scream it are not.
If one is looking for spiritual inspiration of the traditional sort, pious writing, lives of the saints, comforting thoughts, and the like, there are many sites on which to do that. Please enjoy them.
This one offers "spiritual inspiration" of another sort, by p"eople who may one day be recognized as "saints ( If God Wills!) offering comfort of another type: the striving to be authentic in word and deed. It's not everyone's cup of tea. But it is no less of Christ, nor any less a form of praise.)